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From: Betov on 2 Feb 2008 05:29
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@friendly-desktop:

> How do you measure marked share for a free OS?

"They" provide statistics based on the numbers of hits recorded
on some Web Pages, and can see which OS the readers use. Utterly
biaized, of course, but comparing with on same base, will give
a proportional idea about the progression. The generaly given
proportion is around 1% actually (on desktops - the states'
admistrations, and servers being another story -).

Right now, seing the MicroSoft panick state (so absurd attempt of
buying Yahoo! in hope of resisting to the Google and to the Open
Sources progresses), i tend to be a bit more optimist.


Betov.

< http://rosasm.org >

From: //o//annabee on 2 Feb 2008 05:51
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:29:52 +0100, Betov <betov(a)free.fr> wrote:

> //\\\\o//\\\\annabee <w(a)www.akow> écrivait news:op.t5v5y9qvwzh472
> @friendly-desktop:
>
>> How do you measure marked share for a free OS?
>
> "They" provide statistics based on the numbers of hits recorded
> on some Web Pages, and can see which OS the readers use. Utterly
> biaized, of course, but comparing with on same base, will give
> a proportional idea about the progression. The generaly given
> proportion is around 1% actually (on desktops - the states'
> admistrations, and servers being another story -).
>
> Right now, seing the MicroSoft panick state (so absurd attempt of
> buying Yahoo! in hope of resisting to the Google and to the Open
> Sources progresses), i tend to be a bit more optimist.

Some guy on radio indicated he belived it was more a sign of Microsoft
reconfiguring more towards a mediacorportation, and that they are not as
conserned with the OS side of things anymore. What do you think?

>
>
> Betov.
>
> < http://rosasm.org >
>



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From: Betov on 2 Feb 2008 06:39
//\\\\o//\\\\annabee <w(a)www.akow> �crivait
news:op.t5v8fk2lwzh472(a)friendly-desktop:

>> Right now, seing the MicroSoft panick state (so absurd attempt of
>> buying Yahoo! in hope of resisting to the Google and to the Open
>> Sources progresses), i tend to be a bit more optimist.
>
> Some guy on radio indicated he belived it was more a sign of Microsoft
> reconfiguring more towards a mediacorportation, and that they are not
> as conserned with the OS side of things anymore. What do you think?


Saying that "they are no more concerned with the OS side" is saying
that they know that the game is over.

Strategicaly, the only thing they could do about "mediacorportation"
would be to buy Google. Unfortunately for them, this does not seem
a possible thing.

Trying to buy Yahoo! is just as stupid as what they did recently,
when selling a Linux (Suse) to Renault (the french cars), (as a
result of their agreement with Novell), or giving away Windows to
some african country (after corruption) to prevent Mandriva from
taking a school contract, and so on. Two dead horses cnnot make
a winner.

I think that the real problem comes with the oncoming of low-cost
PCs: Under 300 Euros, it is evidently no more possible to deliver
a 100 Euros OS, and giving it for free, just to keep a vanishing
market place, will never do, IMO.

Now, are they in a position that could make them a mediacorp? Given
their terrific reputation, i suppose not. I may be wrong, there,
(people are so passive...), but, anyway, this area is already taken
by many actors, who do not wish to get under their control.

When retiring, recently, Billy the Shark was as fully right as he
was, when he said "The GPL is anti-american".

:)

Betov.

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From: Herbert Kleebauer on 2 Feb 2008 09:56
Betov wrote:
> Herbert Kleebauer <klee(a)unibwm.de> �crivait news:47A375A0.D6CEAFE3

> > I never wrote an application, neither in C nor assembly.

> Arghhhh!!!... Ghhhhh!!!... Hhhhh!!!...

What's the problem? Yes, I never wrote any application in
any language, but looked at different languages and did some
experiments with them. And I think this qualifies me more to
say which language is a proper tool for a given task than
you. Yes, you have written "tons of lines of code", but all in the
in the same language and you refuse to even look at some
alternative languages (or are you already recoding Rosasm
with GCC?).
From: Herbert Kleebauer on 2 Feb 2008 09:55
Betov wrote:

> Saying that "they are no more concerned with the OS side" is saying
> that they know that the game is over.

Yes, over and won. Not over and lost.


> Strategicaly, the only thing they could do about "mediacorportation"
> would be to buy Google. Unfortunately for them, this does not seem
> a possible thing.

Google will go the same way as Netscape went when Microsoft decides
to enter the arena. Everything Google owns becomes worthless every
few years (the computer hardware and the collected information). The
only long-term value is then name "Google". But I think the name
"Microsoft" isn't worth less.


> I think that the real problem comes with the oncoming of low-cost
> PCs: Under 300 Euros, it is evidently no more possible to deliver
> a 100 Euros OS, and giving it for free, just to keep a vanishing
> market place, will never do, IMO.

There are also cars for under 10000 Euros but most people buy
one for over 30000 even if they have to do this on credit. And
nobody want's to tell others that he just bought a poor man's
computer with a free OS. You only get what you pay for and if it
doesn't cost anything, it isn't worth anything. And as long as
this opinion doesn't change, there is no problem for MS, Apple
or Rolex.
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