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From: Taryn on 11 Jun 2005 01:16 G. Michael Paine wrote: > In article <090620050629130928%reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID>, .... > Chris Moore <reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID> wrote: > > > > You did and you still wound up with a .sparseimage, or you did (it > > again) and now it works? > > It does not work. > > But, the plot thickens. Now I suspect that either my just purchased HD > does not allow me to boot from it, (which I was assured it does by > Fry's) or, my Mac G4/400 does not allow itself to be re-booted from an > external HD. .... Reading this thread I'm still not convinced that you've made a bootable disk w/ CCC. When you mount the firewire disk, do you see, directly on the partition, the files and folders from your boot disk? Or, do you see an image file which can be mounted? Have a look at the partitions on the firewire drive using Disk Utility. Some experiments: Hook up the firewire drive and boot from a Panther install CD. Does it offer to install on the Firewire drive? Does it present any warnings about bootability? Have you tried installing X or 9.2 on the drive then using System Preferences:Startup Disk, to select the drive? Bear in mind that you can always pop the drive out of the Firewire case and install it in the G4. If you do, and it's larger than 137GB, be sure to read this: <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thread/d09ee3b77f64fa42/c0171d05320cccf8?q=taryn&rnum=21#c0171d05320cccf8> and to reformat the drive once it's installed. Good luck, T
From: Chris Moore on 11 Jun 2005 01:21 In article <mipaine-6C31D9.17541310062005(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>, G. Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > In article <1gxxwvp.82im031yxamieN%mike(a)POSTTOGROUP.invalid>, > mike(a)POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike Rosenberg) wrote: > > > G. Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > G4/400 was the Yikes! It has a G3 motherboard. It won't boot from > > > > Firewire. > > > > > > Hi, > > > Is this really true? @#%$&*(^% > > > > Only for the models with PCI Graphics, as I've explained in another > > post, not for the models with AGP Graphics. <clip> > I thought this means I have AGP graphics. > The PCI slot shows: "No information" > Ignorant I am, but can you tell me if this Mac is AGP or PCI from this > info? My mistake. I had thought all 400MHz G4's were Yikes!. You have a Sawtooth. It should be bootable from FW. I don't suppose you have access to another machine to see if it will boot from the external? That would identify whether the drive or the computer is to blame.
From: Cathy Stevenson on 11 Jun 2005 19:11 In article <mipaine-04AA3F.12101511062005(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>, G. Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > In article <110620051144301943%cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net>, > Cathy Stevenson <cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net> wrote: > > > In article <mipaine-C9C120.11285711062005(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>, G. > > Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <1118466967.120738.103580(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > > "Taryn" <Taryntoo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > G. Michael Paine wrote: > > > > > In article <090620050629130928%reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID>, > > > > ... > > > > > Chris Moore <reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You did and you still wound up with a .sparseimage, or you did (it > > > > > > again) and now it works? > > > > > > > > > > It does not work. > > > > > > > > > > But, the plot thickens. Now I suspect that either my just purchased HD > > > > > does not allow me to boot from it, (which I was assured it does by > > > > > Fry's) or, my Mac G4/400 does not allow itself to be re-booted from an > > > > > external HD. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Reading this thread I'm still not convinced that you've made a bootable > > > > disk w/ CCC. When you mount the firewire disk, do you see, directly on > > > > the partition, the files and folders from your boot disk? Or, do you > > > > see an image file which can be mounted? Have a look at the partitions > > > > on the firewire drive using Disk Utility. > > > > > > > > Some experiments: > > > > Hook up the firewire drive and boot from a Panther install CD. > > > > Does it offer to install on the Firewire drive? > > > > Does it present any warnings about bootability? > > > > > > > > Have you tried installing X or 9.2 on the drive then using System > > > > Preferences:Startup Disk, to select the drive? > > > > > > > > Bear in mind that you can always pop the drive out of the Firewire case > > > > and install it in the G4. If you do, and it's larger than 137GB, be > > > > sure to read this: > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/t > > > > hr > > > > ea > > > > d/ > > > > d09ee3b77f64fa42/c0171d05320cccf8?q=taryn&rnum=21#c0171d05320cccf8> > > > > and to reformat the drive once it's installed. > > > > > > > > Good luck, T > > > > > > I changed tactics > > > > > > I have used SuperDuper and got a good clone, that should be bootable. > > > I have also connected to my iBookG4/800 with the same results i.e., > > > shows up on Desk Top and is fully accessible, but the Mac will not read > > > it as a bootable HD. Though it is in Preferences>startup Disks it will > > > not restart when the External is selected. The restart proceeds but on > > > the internal drive. > > > As you suggest, i am thinking of an internal now, but I must be certain > > > that the Mac will recognize it as bootable. > > > I feel like backing up the Mac the HD and shipping the entire bundle to > > > Apple. > > > > > > From other posts I seem to be going back to the original thought, that > > > the HD is, for some reason, not bootable and the problem is not the Max > > > (s) being tried. > > > > Before investing more money in that drive, have you considered > > installing OS 10.x or OS 9.2.x onto the drive to see if it will boot? > > > > Cathy > > As a matter of fact in Preferences>Start Up Disks both HD show and for > both the options are restart under the current OS or Classic. > But as I've said even when choses for restart the External is not the HD > from which the boot takes place. > > Michael Yes, I read that in one of your earlier posts. My point was just that it might be worth a try without any cloning step. Cathy -- "there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel C.Stevenson, M.D. cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net
From: Cathy Stevenson on 11 Jun 2005 14:44 In article <mipaine-C9C120.11285711062005(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>, G. Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > In article <1118466967.120738.103580(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "Taryn" <Taryntoo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > G. Michael Paine wrote: > > > In article <090620050629130928%reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID>, > > ... > > > Chris Moore <reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID> wrote: > > > > > > > > You did and you still wound up with a .sparseimage, or you did (it > > > > again) and now it works? > > > > > > It does not work. > > > > > > But, the plot thickens. Now I suspect that either my just purchased HD > > > does not allow me to boot from it, (which I was assured it does by > > > Fry's) or, my Mac G4/400 does not allow itself to be re-booted from an > > > external HD. > > ... > > > > Reading this thread I'm still not convinced that you've made a bootable > > disk w/ CCC. When you mount the firewire disk, do you see, directly on > > the partition, the files and folders from your boot disk? Or, do you > > see an image file which can be mounted? Have a look at the partitions > > on the firewire drive using Disk Utility. > > > > Some experiments: > > Hook up the firewire drive and boot from a Panther install CD. > > Does it offer to install on the Firewire drive? > > Does it present any warnings about bootability? > > > > Have you tried installing X or 9.2 on the drive then using System > > Preferences:Startup Disk, to select the drive? > > > > Bear in mind that you can always pop the drive out of the Firewire case > > and install it in the G4. If you do, and it's larger than 137GB, be > > sure to read this: > > > > <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/threa > > d/ > > d09ee3b77f64fa42/c0171d05320cccf8?q=taryn&rnum=21#c0171d05320cccf8> > > and to reformat the drive once it's installed. > > > > Good luck, T > > I changed tactics > > I have used SuperDuper and got a good clone, that should be bootable. > I have also connected to my iBookG4/800 with the same results i.e., > shows up on Desk Top and is fully accessible, but the Mac will not read > it as a bootable HD. Though it is in Preferences>startup Disks it will > not restart when the External is selected. The restart proceeds but on > the internal drive. > As you suggest, i am thinking of an internal now, but I must be certain > that the Mac will recognize it as bootable. > I feel like backing up the Mac the HD and shipping the entire bundle to > Apple. > > From other posts I seem to be going back to the original thought, that > the HD is, for some reason, not bootable and the problem is not the Max > (s) being tried. Before investing more money in that drive, have you considered installing OS 10.x or OS 9.2.x onto the drive to see if it will boot? Cathy -- "there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel C.Stevenson, M.D. cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net
From: G. Michael Paine on 11 Jun 2005 15:10
In article <110620051144301943%cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net>, Cathy Stevenson <cats1921(a)invalidsonic.net> wrote: > In article <mipaine-C9C120.11285711062005(a)comcast.dca.giganews.com>, G. > Michael Paine <mipaine(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > In article <1118466967.120738.103580(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > "Taryn" <Taryntoo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > G. Michael Paine wrote: > > > > In article <090620050629130928%reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID>, > > > ... > > > > Chris Moore <reply.to(a)newsgroup.INVALID> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You did and you still wound up with a .sparseimage, or you did (it > > > > > again) and now it works? > > > > > > > > It does not work. > > > > > > > > But, the plot thickens. Now I suspect that either my just purchased HD > > > > does not allow me to boot from it, (which I was assured it does by > > > > Fry's) or, my Mac G4/400 does not allow itself to be re-booted from an > > > > external HD. > > > ... > > > > > > Reading this thread I'm still not convinced that you've made a bootable > > > disk w/ CCC. When you mount the firewire disk, do you see, directly on > > > the partition, the files and folders from your boot disk? Or, do you > > > see an image file which can be mounted? Have a look at the partitions > > > on the firewire drive using Disk Utility. > > > > > > Some experiments: > > > Hook up the firewire drive and boot from a Panther install CD. > > > Does it offer to install on the Firewire drive? > > > Does it present any warnings about bootability? > > > > > > Have you tried installing X or 9.2 on the drive then using System > > > Preferences:Startup Disk, to select the drive? > > > > > > Bear in mind that you can always pop the drive out of the Firewire case > > > and install it in the G4. If you do, and it's larger than 137GB, be > > > sure to read this: > > > > > > <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.system/browse_thread/thr > > > ea > > > d/ > > > d09ee3b77f64fa42/c0171d05320cccf8?q=taryn&rnum=21#c0171d05320cccf8> > > > and to reformat the drive once it's installed. > > > > > > Good luck, T > > > > I changed tactics > > > > I have used SuperDuper and got a good clone, that should be bootable. > > I have also connected to my iBookG4/800 with the same results i.e., > > shows up on Desk Top and is fully accessible, but the Mac will not read > > it as a bootable HD. Though it is in Preferences>startup Disks it will > > not restart when the External is selected. The restart proceeds but on > > the internal drive. > > As you suggest, i am thinking of an internal now, but I must be certain > > that the Mac will recognize it as bootable. > > I feel like backing up the Mac the HD and shipping the entire bundle to > > Apple. > > > > From other posts I seem to be going back to the original thought, that > > the HD is, for some reason, not bootable and the problem is not the Max > > (s) being tried. > > Before investing more money in that drive, have you considered > installing OS 10.x or OS 9.2.x onto the drive to see if it will boot? > > Cathy As a matter of fact in Preferences>Start Up Disks both HD show and for both the options are restart under the current OS or Classic. But as I've said even when choses for restart the External is not the HD from which the boot takes place. Michael |