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From: Scott Burson on 22 Apr 2008 03:01
Just came across this...

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/04/21/bray_ruby_rails/

You'd think there would be some way for Lisp to fill this gap.

-- Scott

From: Sean T Allen on 22 Apr 2008 08:27
On 2008-04-22 03:01:33 -0400, Scott Burson <FSet.SLB(a)gmail.com> said:

> Just came across this...
>
> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/04/21/bray_ruby_rails/
>
> You'd think there would be some way for Lisp to fill this gap.
>

a lot of the people who got pulled into the rails orbit came from php,
i doubt you'd move them over to lisp. given the emphasis in the ruby
community on beautiful looking code, i can also see problems for lisp
there. you'd need one of those wham-bam overwhelming flashy demos to
make progress with the first group ( like how activerecord db
introspection and scaffolding wow'ed em ). the 2nd well i don't know
how you'd get them over the whole 'all those ()s just look ugly'.

a side by side fancy comparision of advanced techniques wouldnt hurt either.

ruby is def. way out in front on the community being newbie friendly
compared to lisp.

-says the guy who threw his hands up in disgust a few months ago and
decided to only use ruby as a shell and perl script replacement-

From: Jeff on 22 Apr 2008 08:27
> ...CTOs at big banks and airlines are calling Bray in to advise on Ruby.

Scary.
From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 22 Apr 2008 09:19
Scott Burson <FSet.SLB(a)gmail.com> writes:

> Just came across this...
>
> http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/04/21/bray_ruby_rails/
>
> You'd think there would be some way for Lisp to fill this gap.

Well, lisp is a meta-programming programming language. Could the
problems with Ruby be that it hasn't been implemented in Lisp?

After all, all these P* languages, Php, Perls, Python, Ruby, Java,
they're all nice domain specific programming language (even if some
users have strange syntactic tastes). The shame is that they've not
been developed in lisp. Then they'd benefit of the lisp compiler and
run-time compiler.

Lisp advocates shouldn't try to convince the programmers using these
programming languages, but the programmers who design and implement
these programming languages.


;-)

--
__Pascal Bourguignon__
From: Rainer Joswig on 22 Apr 2008 09:41
In article <7ck5iqt4bc.fsf(a)pbourguignon.anevia.com>,
pjb(a)informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) wrote:

> Scott Burson <FSet.SLB(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Just came across this...
> >
> > http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/04/21/bray_ruby_rails/
> >
> > You'd think there would be some way for Lisp to fill this gap.
>
> Well, lisp is a meta-programming programming language. Could the
> problems with Ruby be that it hasn't been implemented in Lisp?
>
> After all, all these P* languages, Php, Perls, Python, Ruby, Java,
> they're all nice domain specific programming language (even if some
> users have strange syntactic tastes). The shame is that they've not
> been developed in lisp. Then they'd benefit of the lisp compiler and
> run-time compiler.
>
> Lisp advocates shouldn't try to convince the programmers using these
> programming languages, but the programmers who design and implement
> these programming languages.
>
>
> ;-)

I THINK THE LAST THREE CHARACTERS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT
OF THAT MESSAGE ... OOPS ... CAPS LOCK ... READing too
much old code lately ...

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http://lispm.dyndns.org/
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