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From: Greg McGuirk on 10 Aug 2008 08:10
I agree with Glennbo's comments. If I may add...

When an odd time feel is "disguised" (like Glennbo described), being able to
feel where "1" is, is a bit more obvious. If the listener has to focus &
concentrate on where "1" is, then you stand a greater chance of losing their
attention, as the piece won't naturally feel grounded or centered. 'Hope
that makes sense.

greg

"John Braner" <me(a)myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:g7h18u$i5i$1(a)aioe.org...
> Glennbo wrote:
>> In news:g7fmo1$54u$1(a)aioe.org the killer robot John Braner
>> <me(a)myhouse.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio
>> and pressed these buttons...
>>
>>> I have a new song on Soundclick if anyone would like to have a listen.
>>> It's right here: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6788365
>>>
>>> This one is kind of in 7 as in 1231212 but the beats do play around a
>>> little.
>>>
>>> It features the usual suspects:
>>> Superior Drummer (not ver 2 yet)
>>> Trilogy Bass
>>> TruePianos Piano
>>> real guitar w/POD XT
>>>
>>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>
>> Hey John, I like your song, but as a drummer, I'd like to suggest a
>> smoother 7 groove on the drums. Something that hides, rather than
>> emphasizes the fact that it's in 7. My song "Tropical Depression" at my
>> Jambits site is an example of what I'm talking about. I wouldn't suggest
>> lifting the drum groove from that song though, because it's too much of a
>> breezy island groove. The "make it sound less jerky" effect, where you
>> put the snare hits like it's a straight groove, and add or subtract as
>> necessary on the end of the phrase, ala Bill Bruford, is what I mean.
>> Just off the top of my head I think playing it as a measure of 3 and a
>> measure of 4, with snare hits on 2 in the 3/4 part and hitting the snare
>> on 3 in the 4/4 part would gloss over the odd timing, draw more focus to
>> your other parts, and less on the odd timing drum beat. Just my .02
>>
>
> Thanks for the comment Glennbo. As a non drummer, this is the type of
> thing that I would miss. My idea came from some eastern European guys I
> saw playing recently, and they counted the 7 as 1231212 - so I figured I'd
> put a kick on the "1"s and a snare on the "2"s - but that's not based on
> anything profound - just an experiment ;-)
>
> I'll keep a copy of these comments, and try to put them into use.
>
> --
> ===========
> John Braner
>
> jbraner(a)NOblueyonderSPAM.co.uk
> http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner_music.htm (that's an underscore)


From: John Braner on 10 Aug 2008 14:17
Greg McGuirk wrote:
> I agree with Glennbo's comments. If I may add...
>
> When an odd time feel is "disguised" (like Glennbo described), being able to
> feel where "1" is, is a bit more obvious. If the listener has to focus &
> concentrate on where "1" is, then you stand a greater chance of losing their
> attention, as the piece won't naturally feel grounded or centered. 'Hope
> that makes sense.
>
> greg
>
> "John Braner" <me(a)myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:g7h18u$i5i$1(a)aioe.org...
>> Glennbo wrote:
>>> In news:g7fmo1$54u$1(a)aioe.org the killer robot John Braner
>>> <me(a)myhouse.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio
>>> and pressed these buttons...
>>>
>>>> I have a new song on Soundclick if anyone would like to have a listen.
>>>> It's right here: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6788365
>>>>
>>>> This one is kind of in 7 as in 1231212 but the beats do play around a
>>>> little.
>>>>
>>>> It features the usual suspects:
>>>> Superior Drummer (not ver 2 yet)
>>>> Trilogy Bass
>>>> TruePianos Piano
>>>> real guitar w/POD XT
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>> Hey John, I like your song, but as a drummer, I'd like to suggest a
>>> smoother 7 groove on the drums. Something that hides, rather than
>>> emphasizes the fact that it's in 7. My song "Tropical Depression" at my
>>> Jambits site is an example of what I'm talking about. I wouldn't suggest
>>> lifting the drum groove from that song though, because it's too much of a
>>> breezy island groove. The "make it sound less jerky" effect, where you
>>> put the snare hits like it's a straight groove, and add or subtract as
>>> necessary on the end of the phrase, ala Bill Bruford, is what I mean.
>>> Just off the top of my head I think playing it as a measure of 3 and a
>>> measure of 4, with snare hits on 2 in the 3/4 part and hitting the snare
>>> on 3 in the 4/4 part would gloss over the odd timing, draw more focus to
>>> your other parts, and less on the odd timing drum beat. Just my .02
>>>
>> Thanks for the comment Glennbo. As a non drummer, this is the type of
>> thing that I would miss. My idea came from some eastern European guys I
>> saw playing recently, and they counted the 7 as 1231212 - so I figured I'd
>> put a kick on the "1"s and a snare on the "2"s - but that's not based on
>> anything profound - just an experiment ;-)
>>
>> I'll keep a copy of these comments, and try to put them into use.
>>
>> --
>> ===========
>> John Braner
>>
>> jbraner(a)NOblueyonderSPAM.co.uk
>> http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner_music.htm (that's an underscore)
>
>

Hi Greg,

Thanks a lot for your comments - it does make sense. I'm used to
listening to odd time signatures by guys like Trilok Gurtu, or Joe
Zawinul - and I *like* forcing the listener to pay attention to where
the "one" is ;-)
(many times I listen to jazz guys, and have no clue where the "one" is -
until I really pay attention and count)

But I will try next time to take a "normal" measure and just drop the
last beat


--
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John Braner

jbraner(a)NOblueyonderSPAM.co.uk
http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner_music.htm (that's an underscore)
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