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From: Steve on 2 Apr 2010 04:21
Steve wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I setup my sendmail for multi -domain email server. I am running it
>>>>> with
>>>>> my own DNS Server....
>>>>> Reguarly, I am going to Junk, or Spam folder from ... hotmail, etc....
>>>> There can be many reasons, like rDNS not matching, the ip you have is a
>>>> dynamic one, your mail header isn't "good enough", ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am deseperate to find a solution.... :-(
>>>>> I went on website like : intodns.com and the report of my DNS is OK...
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I detect that my Reverse DNS seems to be weird :
>>>>> The reverse DNS seems to be the one of my internet provider... Is that
>>>>> normal ? Is that OK ?
>>>> Thats default, sadly ISP will seldom change the rDNS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One solution you can try, is to use your ISPs mail server as
>>>> SMART_HOST, then
>>>> all your outgoing mail will be sent via the ISPs mail server, but this
>>>> will of
>>>> course not fix much more than problems than making a worka around
>>>> dynamic-ip
>>>> blocks/filtering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, I have a fix ip address....
>>>
>>> Do you think that the best would be to use my ISP email server ? that's
>>> sade
>>
>> You can always test and see, send a mail to your hotmail account,
>> then do the following add on to sendmail config
>>
>> define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.isp.com')
>>
>> just remember to use the correct smtp that your isp provides, generate
>> the new
>> cf from the mc and restart sendmail and send your mail once more.
>>
>> If the second mail ends up in the junk-folder, then there is something
>> else
>> that causes the problem.
>>
>
> I just made the test, that sounds to work !! :-)
> I will make other tests, but that's encouraging..
>
> Thank you very much !!!
>
> Does it mean that my ISP provider is "blocking " somehow ?
>
> Does it also mean that they have a copy of my emails on their servers ?
> or can they copy it ?
>
> Thanks again !!!


Does it mean that if I have a limit of 10Mb of attached files, I can be
limited , sending email via the ISP email server ?? ( If they have 2 Mb
max, will I be able to send 10Mb ??

I just wonder what is the difference between their server and mine :-(

From: Steve on 2 Apr 2010 04:32
Steve wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I setup my sendmail for multi -domain email server. I am running
>>>>>> it with
>>>>>> my own DNS Server....
>>>>>> Reguarly, I am going to Junk, or Spam folder from ... hotmail,
>>>>>> etc....
>>>>> There can be many reasons, like rDNS not matching, the ip you have
>>>>> is a
>>>>> dynamic one, your mail header isn't "good enough", ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am deseperate to find a solution.... :-(
>>>>>> I went on website like : intodns.com and the report of my DNS is
>>>>>> OK...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I detect that my Reverse DNS seems to be weird :
>>>>>> The reverse DNS seems to be the one of my internet provider... Is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> normal ? Is that OK ?
>>>>> Thats default, sadly ISP will seldom change the rDNS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One solution you can try, is to use your ISPs mail server as
>>>>> SMART_HOST, then
>>>>> all your outgoing mail will be sent via the ISPs mail server, but this
>>>>> will of
>>>>> course not fix much more than problems than making a worka around
>>>>> dynamic-ip
>>>>> blocks/filtering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, I have a fix ip address....
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that the best would be to use my ISP email server ? that's
>>>> sade
>>>
>>> You can always test and see, send a mail to your hotmail account,
>>> then do the following add on to sendmail config
>>>
>>> define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.isp.com')
>>>
>>> just remember to use the correct smtp that your isp provides,
>>> generate the new
>>> cf from the mc and restart sendmail and send your mail once more.
>>>
>>> If the second mail ends up in the junk-folder, then there is
>>> something else
>>> that causes the problem.
>>>
>>
>> I just made the test, that sounds to work !! :-)
>> I will make other tests, but that's encouraging..
>>
>> Thank you very much !!!
>>
>> Does it mean that my ISP provider is "blocking " somehow ?
>>
>> Does it also mean that they have a copy of my emails on their servers
>> ? or can they copy it ?
>>
>> Thanks again !!!
>
>
> Does it mean that if I have a limit of 10Mb of attached files, I can be
> limited , sending email via the ISP email server ?? ( If they have 2 Mb
> max, will I be able to send 10Mb ??
>
> I just wonder what is the difference between their server and mine :-(
>

Sorry.. I am stupid...
I should send VIA their server ( which probably has no limits)
but I receive DIRECTLY to my server. ....
From: J.O. Aho on 2 Apr 2010 04:34
Steve wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Steve wrote:

>>> Well, I have a fix ip address....
>>>
>>> Do you think that the best would be to use my ISP email server ? that's
>>> sade
>>
>> You can always test and see, send a mail to your hotmail account,
>> then do the following add on to sendmail config
>>
>> define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.isp.com')
>>
>> just remember to use the correct smtp that your isp provides, generate
>> the new
>> cf from the mc and restart sendmail and send your mail once more.
>>
>> If the second mail ends up in the junk-folder, then there is something
>> else
>> that causes the problem.
>>
>
> I just made the test, that sounds to work !! :-)
> I will make other tests, but that's encouraging..
>
>
> Does it mean that my ISP provider is "blocking " somehow ?

The blocking isn't done at the ISP, but at the receiving MTA.
There are some ISPs who do block port 25, preventing you to connect to a MTA
on port 25 if it's outside the ISPs network, if this would have been the case
you would have seen time out errors in your logs and the mail had never
reached hotmail in the first place.


> Does it also mean that they have a copy of my emails on their servers ?
> or can they copy it ?

That I can't answer, that depends on the policy your ISP has, but I don't know
any ISP who stores outgoing mail. What they will have is logs that shows you
have sent a mail and it may be stored for a while, that also depends on the
ISPs policy.


> Does it mean that if I have a limit of 10Mb of attached files, I can be
> limited , sending email via the ISP email server ?? ( If they have 2 Mb max,
> will I be able to send 10Mb ??

Using your ISPs MTA as you SMART_HOST will apply all the mail sending
limitations they have as attachment size, size of TO:/CC:/BBC: and of course
outgoing virus and spam scans (in case they do that).


> I just wonder what is the difference between their server and mine :-(

Write an e-mail to their support, then call them and ask them to escalate it
to someone who really can answer which limitations the mail server has (in
most cases the support don't know all the limitations, just things like max
attachment size).

--

//Aho
From: J.O. Aho on 2 Apr 2010 04:35
Steve wrote:

> Sorry.. I am stupid...
> I should send VIA their server ( which probably has no limits)
> but I receive DIRECTLY to my server. ....

Yes, it's just the outgoing that will go via theirs and it's just your
outgoing mail which will have other limits than what you have configured.


--

//Aho
From: Steve on 3 Apr 2010 02:55
J.O. Aho wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>
>>>> Well, I have a fix ip address....
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that the best would be to use my ISP email server ? that's
>>>> sade
>>> You can always test and see, send a mail to your hotmail account,
>>> then do the following add on to sendmail config
>>>
>>> define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.isp.com')
>>>
>>> just remember to use the correct smtp that your isp provides, generate
>>> the new
>>> cf from the mc and restart sendmail and send your mail once more.
>>>
>>> If the second mail ends up in the junk-folder, then there is something
>>> else
>>> that causes the problem.
>>>
>> I just made the test, that sounds to work !! :-)
>> I will make other tests, but that's encouraging..
>>
>>
>> Does it mean that my ISP provider is "blocking " somehow ?
>
> The blocking isn't done at the ISP, but at the receiving MTA.
> There are some ISPs who do block port 25, preventing you to connect to a MTA
> on port 25 if it's outside the ISPs network, if this would have been the case
> you would have seen time out errors in your logs and the mail had never
> reached hotmail in the first place.
>
>
>> Does it also mean that they have a copy of my emails on their servers ?
>> or can they copy it ?
>
> That I can't answer, that depends on the policy your ISP has, but I don't know
> any ISP who stores outgoing mail. What they will have is logs that shows you
> have sent a mail and it may be stored for a while, that also depends on the
> ISPs policy.
>
>
>> Does it mean that if I have a limit of 10Mb of attached files, I can be
>> limited , sending email via the ISP email server ?? ( If they have 2 Mb max,
>> will I be able to send 10Mb ??
>
> Using your ISPs MTA as you SMART_HOST will apply all the mail sending
> limitations they have as attachment size, size of TO:/CC:/BBC: and of course
> outgoing virus and spam scans (in case they do that).
>
>
>> I just wonder what is the difference between their server and mine :-(
>
> Write an e-mail to their support, then call them and ask them to escalate it
> to someone who really can answer which limitations the mail server has (in
> most cases the support don't know all the limitations, just things like max
> attachment size).
>

Using their MTA solve my problem if SPAM...
... and I am still using the my own DNS server...

- Does it mean that this is a sendmail configuration problem or not
necessary ?

I am sure that the port 25 is not block. That's a good point :-)



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