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From: Jay on 25 Feb 2005 04:44 "Jay" <jay(a)somehow.com> wrote in message news:421ee859$0$32611$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > 20 x Brand new 02 Sim Cards - > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6371069866&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > > 4 x Brand new Orange Sim Cards - > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6371072420&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Thanks for all your feedback guys. Its amazing how you learn something new everyday. Cheers!
From: Gareth on 25 Feb 2005 05:17 "Brian Morrison" <scrapspam(a)fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message news:z_6dncyFTr2MbYPfRVnyvw(a)eclipse.net.uk... > Gareth wrote: > >> It's worse than that. The chances are your auctions will be pulled as a >> result of complaints from the mobile networks who object to the resale of >> SIM cards (which they oddly regard as being their property despite >> private ownership). > > And they'd be right, the SIM card is the property of the network operator > because the Ts&Cs explicitly state that as a condition of use. Bollocks. The SIM card is in private ownership and the T&Cs are a separate issue of private disagreement between the seller and the network. If the networks want to enforce their silly T&Cs then they should be forced to do so through the courts and not through half baked legal threats to Ebay. T&Cs can technically prevent even the resale of used software and computer games but I don't see Sony objecting to the Ebay sale of Wipeout Fusion. In so far as the SIM is private property then a) you have the right to sell it and b) the network then has the right to take action against breach of T&Cs if it so wishes. In terms of cost/benefit it would not be worth their while and they know this - thus the bully boy tactics and threats. The problem with the behaviour of the networks is that they aren't forced to defend their unreasonable and petty T&Cs and lacking the ability to identify breached SIMs so that they can disable them they take a bullying approach on the basis that nobody will challenge them. Gareth.
From: Hiram Hackenbacker on 25 Feb 2005 06:26 Gareth wrote: >>>It's worse than that. The chances are your auctions will be pulled as a >>>result of complaints from the mobile networks who object to the resale of >>>SIM cards (which they oddly regard as being their property despite >>>private ownership). >> >>And they'd be right, the SIM card is the property of the network operator >>because the Ts&Cs explicitly state that as a condition of use. > > > Bollocks. > > The SIM card is in private ownership and the T&Cs are a separate issue of > private disagreement between the seller and the network. > > If the networks want to enforce their silly T&Cs then they should be forced > to do so through the courts and not through half baked legal threats to > Ebay. Well for 40+ years credit card companies have treated their cards in the same way - i.e. - they remain their property. You would think the law would have caught up with this sharp practice and you could use that case precedent to own your own SIM :-)
From: steeler on 25 Feb 2005 06:33 "Jay" <jay(a)somehow.com> wrote in message news:421ef3b6$0$32609$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > > "Jay" <jay(a)somehow.com> wrote in message > news:421ee859$0$32611$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > > 20 x Brand new 02 Sim Cards - > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6371069866&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > > > > > 4 x Brand new Orange Sim Cards - > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6371072420&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > Thanks for all your feedback guys. > Its amazing how you learn something new everyday. > > Cheers! > > posting in the bargain group is a bit dumb. We all know you got them for nowt as the links were in here.
From: Ivor Jones on 25 Feb 2005 07:13
Gareth wrote: > "Brian Morrison" <scrapspam(a)fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message > news:z_6dncyFTr2MbYPfRVnyvw(a)eclipse.net.uk... >> Gareth wrote: >> >>> It's worse than that. The chances are your auctions will be >>> pulled as a result of complaints from the mobile networks who >>> object to the resale of SIM cards (which they oddly regard as >>> being their property despite private ownership). >> >> And they'd be right, the SIM card is the property of the network >> operator because the Ts&Cs explicitly state that as a condition of >> use. > > Bollocks. > > The SIM card is in private ownership and the T&Cs are a separate > issue of private disagreement between the seller and the network. It's not bollocks at all. It is *clearly* stated in the T&C's that *you* sign and *agree to* when you take out a contract or buy a PAYG phone. You have agreed to it, therefore it is not bollocks. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant. Go and find a network that does let you own the SIM, I wish you luck, do come back and tell us who it is..! Ivor |