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From: Kevin Neilson on 16 Apr 2008 14:51
Michael wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2:10 pm, Kevin Neilson
> <kevin_neil...(a)removethiscomcast.net> wrote:
>>> Also - is there a Xilinx simulator that is built into ISE? I am
>>> following a Xilinx tutorial (http://www.xilinx.com/support/techsup/
>>> tutorials/tutorials9.htm) and it first says "Whether you use
>>> the ModelSim simulator or the ISE Simulator with this tutorial, you
>>> will achieve the same results." suggesting there is a fully functional
>>> tutorial built into ISE, and then two paragraphs down it says "In
>>> order to use this tutorial, you must install ModelSim on your
>>> computer.". So that just confused me.
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Michael
>> The most recent version of ISIM (the ISE simulator) is much faster and
>> has a new parser so it supports the language(s) much better. The user
>> interface is a bit coarser and the waveform viewer is not as nice as
>> Modelsim's, but it might work well for you. I didn't consider this
>> because it's not really free, since ISE isn't free, but if you already
>> have ISE it might be a good option. -Kevin
>
> I'm confused - I just downloaded the "ISE WebPACK 9.2i" a couple days
> ago and didn't pay a thing. (and it never asked me to pay a thing).
> Does this have a built in simulator, or is it only the version that
> you pay for that has a built in simulator? Thanks,
>
> -Michael
I'm not sure if ISIM is in there--check for the executables
vlogcomp.exe, vhpcomp.exe, and fuse.exe. (They should be under
ise/bin/nt.) -Kevin
From: Chumnarn P. on 17 Apr 2008 13:48
On Apr 16, 1:34 am, Michael <nleah...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2:10 pm, Kevin Neilson
>
>
>
> <kevin_neil...(a)removethiscomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Also - is there a Xilinx simulator that is built into ISE? I am
> > > following a Xilinx tutorial (http://www.xilinx.com/support/techsup/
> > > tutorials/tutorials9.htm) and it first says "Whether you use
> > > the ModelSim simulator or the ISE Simulator with this tutorial, you
> > > will achieve the same results." suggesting there is a fully functional
> > > tutorial built into ISE, and then two paragraphs down it says "In
> > > order to use this tutorial, you must install ModelSim on your
> > > computer.". So that just confused me.
>
> > > Thanks!
>
> > > -Michael
>
> > The most recent version of ISIM (the ISE simulator) is much faster and
> > has a new parser so it supports the language(s) much better. The user
> > interface is a bit coarser and the waveform viewer is not as nice as
> > Modelsim's, but it might work well for you. I didn't consider this
> > because it's not really free, since ISE isn't free, but if you already
> > have ISE it might be a good option. -Kevin
>
> I'm confused - I just downloaded the "ISE WebPACK 9.2i" a couple days
> ago and didn't pay a thing. (and it never asked me to pay a thing).
> Does this have a built in simulator, or is it only the version that
> you pay for that has a built in simulator? Thanks,
>
> -Michael



-----------------------------------------------------
ISE WebPACK 9.2i does not include the HDL simulator. Therefore, you
need to install it (ModelSIM XE) separately. There is a WebPack10.1
now, but I haven't check it if it also include the simulator.


chumnarn

From: Michael on 17 Apr 2008 15:43
On Apr 17, 1:48 pm, "Chumnarn P." <chumn...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 1:34 am, Michael <nleah...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 2:10 pm, Kevin Neilson
>
> > <kevin_neil...(a)removethiscomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > Also - is there a Xilinx simulator that is built into ISE? I am
> > > > following a Xilinx tutorial (http://www.xilinx.com/support/techsup/
> > > > tutorials/tutorials9.htm) and it first says "Whether you use
> > > > the ModelSim simulator or the ISE Simulator with this tutorial, you
> > > > will achieve the same results." suggesting there is a fully functional
> > > > tutorial built into ISE, and then two paragraphs down it says "In
> > > > order to use this tutorial, you must install ModelSim on your
> > > > computer.". So that just confused me.
>
> > > > Thanks!
>
> > > > -Michael
>
> > > The most recent version of ISIM (the ISE simulator) is much faster and
> > > has a new parser so it supports the language(s) much better.  The user
> > > interface is a bit coarser and the waveform viewer is not as nice as
> > > Modelsim's, but it might work well for you.  I didn't consider this
> > > because it's not really free, since ISE isn't free, but if you already
> > > have ISE it might be a good option.  -Kevin
>
> > I'm confused - I just downloaded the "ISE WebPACK 9.2i" a couple days
> > ago and didn't pay a thing. (and it never asked me to pay a thing).
> > Does this have a built in simulator, or is it only the version that
> > you pay for that has a built in simulator? Thanks,
>
> > -Michael
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> ISE WebPACK 9.2i does not include the HDL simulator. Therefore, you
> need to install it (ModelSIM XE) separately. There is a WebPack10.1
> now, but I haven't check it if it also include the simulator.
>
> chumnarn

Hi - I do have the three exes Kevin mentioned (vlogcomp.exe,
vhpcomp.exe, and fuse.exe) - so I'm assuming that means I have it? Is
there a way to quickly test run it?

Thanks,

-Michael
From: Nico Coesel on 18 Apr 2008 12:51
lm317t <lm317t(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>For behavioral sim you could go with a brand agnostic tool like ghdl
>and iverilog are both free, and I've used them sucessfully for simple
>to quite large designs. I find the Xilinx and Altera tools to be too
>slow and cumbersome, but I haven't compared those sim tools to ghdl or
>iverilog.

Interesting. Would it be possible to do a functional simulation based
on the post-place & route VHDL file generated by ISE with ghdl?

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