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From: lukaswu on 5 May 2008 12:54
>
>> The only thing I have against OBSD (if regular use is considered) is IO
>> efficiency- it is really sloooow.
>
> Really? From what outhouse wall did you read that?

From www.openbsd.org? Or maybe from the wallpainting which says:
synchronous filesystems are ALWAYS slower though recommended by OBSD team?
Cant remember.
>
>> And smaller thing: CPU scalability is far behind Linux kernel.
>
> How many CPUs do you require to build a firewall? A 486DX2 will handle
> 10 Mbit/sec IP traffic at 10% CPU utilization.

I mentioned facts and limits. So whats your point?

>
>> PS. God bless ed, if you install OBSD from floppy you will know what I
>> mean ;)
>
> Really, with the install sets on a server the entire OS goes onto HDD in
> less than 5 minutes. Makes me fall to sleep waiting.
>
Good for you. Not all install goes from a cutting edge disk and server- in
OBSD usually it's oposite, which you should know as an experienced OBSD
admin/user/expert pretty aware of hardware compatibility issues.

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luk


From: Dave Uhring on 5 May 2008 15:28
On Mon, 05 May 2008 18:54:38 +0200, lukaswu wrote:


>>> The only thing I have against OBSD (if regular use is considered) is
>>> IO efficiency- it is really sloooow.
>>
>> Really? From what outhouse wall did you read that?
>
> From www.openbsd.org? Or maybe from the wallpainting which says:
> synchronous filesystems are ALWAYS slower though recommended by OBSD
> team? Cant remember.

So in your mind a little bit slower is sloooow? And you really prefer
asynchronous disk IO because you just love running fsck?

>>> And smaller thing: CPU scalability is far behind Linux kernel.
>>
>> How many CPUs do you require to build a firewall? A 486DX2 will handle
>> 10 Mbit/sec IP traffic at 10% CPU utilization.
>
> I mentioned facts and limits. So whats your point?

Just what do you really think that scalability means?

>>> PS. God bless ed, if you install OBSD from floppy you will know what I
>>> mean ;)
>>
>> Really, with the install sets on a server the entire OS goes onto HDD
>> in less than 5 minutes. Makes me fall to sleep waiting.
>>
> Good for you. Not all install goes from a cutting edge disk and server-
> in OBSD usually it's oposite, which you should know as an experienced
> OBSD admin/user/expert pretty aware of hardware compatibility issues.

My last install was yesterday on an 8 year old machine with a P233MMX
CPU, 32MB memory and a HDD which does file IO at about 3.5MB/sec. It
still took less than 5 minutes.

In over 8 years of use of OpenBSD I have never encountered a single
hardware compatibility issue. But then I don't use winmodems or
winprinters either.
From: lukaswu on 5 May 2008 15:52
>
> So in your mind a little bit slower is sloooow? And you really prefer
> asynchronous disk IO because you just love running fsck?

I prefer icream. What does have journaling with sync async mode in
common?? They on completely two different levels- one say driver operation
the other filesystem. And yes, sync mode is slow; running OBSD you
perfectly know how much time you need to use security implemeted on
inodes. It's slooow.

>
>>>> And smaller thing: CPU scalability is far behind Linux kernel.
>>>
>>> How many CPUs do you require to build a firewall? A 486DX2 will handle
>>> 10 Mbit/sec IP traffic at 10% CPU utilization.
>>
>> I mentioned facts and limits. So whats your point?
>
> Just what do you really think that scalability means?

What I wrote before.
>
>
> My last install was yesterday on an 8 year old machine with a P233MMX
> CPU, 32MB memory and a HDD which does file IO at about 3.5MB/sec. It
> still took less than 5 minutes.

Base installation? Could be.
>
> In over 8 years of use of OpenBSD I have never encountered a single
> hardware compatibility issue. But then I don't use winmodems or
> winprinters either.
>

Neither did I though when I wanted to buy a notebook which would be able
to run 3.3-3.9 I had to check very close even NICs to be sure they would
run. True, every half a year it gets better.

The funny thing is that you attacked me while I am the last person who
should be attacked on OBSD basis. Saying nothing of wrong news group to do
so ;).

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luk
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