From: Eeyore on


Joe Kotroczo wrote:

> "Eeyore" wrote:
> > Joe Kotroczo wrote:
> >
> >> Even if one would repair the holes, the authorities would still get upset
> >> about the "scars". It's all about appearances over here... :-(
> >
> > When did you last see British roads and footpaths ? !
>
> Hmm... Must've been 2 years ago.

OK. Whereabouts ?


> When did you last see a Luxembourg parking lot?

Never as it happens but I imagine it's in pretty good condition. The roads and
sidewalks over here are becoming near 3rd world standard. Like many things in
the UK now sadly.

Graham

From: Marc Amsterdam on
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:07:04 +0200, Joe Kotroczo <kotroczo(a)mac.com>
wrote:



>Found this:
>
>"The stages that collapsed were designed to withstand strong winds and were
>constructed correctly. The rain fall 3 days prior softened the ground and
>the humidity never allowed the ground to dry causing the 14 anchors to fail
>when the 65mph gust hit the venue. 6: The fact that the stages were built
>correctly is what eventually saved lives. Both roofs came down slow enough
>for poeple to get out of the way."
>(http://www.knaclive.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6430)
>
>Ok, so they were built correctly but anchored incorrectly. I guess "anchor"
>means something that gets hammered into the ground. How do you calculate how
>much force you can apply to that?

You cant realy unless you do a survey of the soil,
there are charts as to what type of soil can hold what but as said
things might vary according to humidity

on a side note,

I live next to a construction site ( on a boat as you might know)
that is protected by a plank wall. much the same type used to protect
against Katrina....
Two years ago some of the achors broke causing the wall to shift.
urging us after midnight to find another place until theyd repaired
it.
When asked if they had done a survey and calculations on those anchors
the asnwers of the engineers was NO, there is no calculation that
could give us precise numbers on the strengt of the anchors, we just
put in a lot and hope for the best. One anchor breakin away creates a
ripple effect and that was very scary.

>
>Over here we always use water ballasts. (Or whatever you call them in
>English.) They are plastic water tanks with metal frames that you can move
>with a forklift and weigh next to nothing when empty, and hold 1000 liters,
>which translates into a metric ton when filled with water.

hmm, as said i live on my boat and ive seen a 12 ton rope snap like a
sowing tread on just 125 square metres of sail... exiting!!
How much of those water achors would you need you think.......


cheers

Marc

From: Eeyore on


Marc Amsterdam wrote:

> I live next to a construction site ( on a boat as you might know)
> that is protected by a plank wall. much the same type used to protect
> against Katrina....

I didn't know that. What style and construction of boat ?

Graham

From: Marc Amsterdam on
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:30:37 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Marc Amsterdam wrote:
>
>> I live next to a construction site ( on a boat as you might know)
>> that is protected by a plank wall. much the same type used to protect
>> against Katrina....
>
>I didn't know that. What style and construction of boat ?
>

it is a Tjalk type, 22 meters long, traditional and under sail.
could do with some TLC, as it reached the age of 100 last month.
It is about the first ship you'll see when leaving central station
Amsterdam east bound, it is on over a million photograps i presume.

here a nice one of it

http://gallery.me.com/clogwise#100008

and some more trivia

http://gallery.me.com/clogwise#gallery

Dont sail to much though( kinda never) , it feels kinda strange to
take your house on to the open water.



>Graham

From: Eeyore on


Marc Amsterdam wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >Marc Amsterdam wrote:
> >
> >> I live next to a construction site ( on a boat as you might know)
> >> that is protected by a plank wall. much the same type used to protect
> >> against Katrina....
> >
> >I didn't know that. What style and construction of boat ?
>
> it is a Tjalk type, 22 meters long, traditional and under sail.
> could do with some TLC, as it reached the age of 100 last month.
> It is about the first ship you'll see when leaving central station
> Amsterdam east bound, it is on over a million photograps i presume.
>
> here a nice one of it
>
> http://gallery.me.com/clogwise#100008
>
> and some more trivia
>
> http://gallery.me.com/clogwise#gallery
>
> Dont sail to much though( kinda never) , it feels kinda strange to
> take your house on to the open water.

Sadly, due to my fondness for stable and older operating systems and
browsers I can't see either of those.

Any chance of emailing me a jpg or such ? The email in my headers IS valid
btw.

At 22m is it like a British 'narrow (canal) boat' ? I've handled one or two
of those.

Graham