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From: Bill Pechter on 4 May 2008 14:51
In article <Z78D2ZbRTCKx(a)eisner.encompasserve.org>,
Simon Clubley <clubley(a)remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
>In article
>
>That may be true. I suspect that I've just been used historically to a
>high quality level of support from VMS support/engineering/etc and as a
>result I am probably now judging other enterprise vendors by those same
>standards.
>
There was nothing like the VMS Engineering and support in the old days.
I mean old days... (VMS back when it started with VAX/).

From 2.x through 4.2 I loved dealing with as a DECcie and a customer.
But I went over to the DARK side of Unix a long time ago.

[snip]

>
>It's things like this that make Solaris (like VMS) feel _engineered_ as
>opposed to just been grown on an ad-hoc type basis.

>Simon.

>Simon Clubley, clubley(a)remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
>Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world

One of the things I like about Solaris is also true of FreeBSD and the
rest of the *BSD systems.

The manual pages are all there and current.

The system just feels like a system -- more like a sports car than a
bolted together kit built dune buggy.

The Linux systems (even RedHat Enterprise) leave a bit to be desired.
Suse is interesting, but it falls over when you try to deal with the
deficiencies in Yast.

The other real solid Unix is AIX (did 3.2 through 4.14 for a while).
Solid, reliable, well supported -- just very un-Unixlike in spots.
Solaris 10 gets me feeling that way a bit. The transition from
everythings managed with good old ascii scripts to the newer object
oriented data manipulation tools and databses gets a bit wierd.

But maybe I'm just too old a greybeard.

I don't want or need a gui to manage a system. Just vi and
my brain understanding it all.

Bill
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From: Holger Marzen on 5 May 2008 03:38
* On Sun, 04 May 2008 13:51:55 -0500, Bill Pechter wrote:

> The other real solid Unix is AIX (did 3.2 through 4.14 for a while).
> Solid, reliable, well supported -- just very un-Unixlike in spots.
> Solaris 10 gets me feeling that way a bit. The transition from
> everythings managed with good old ascii scripts to the newer object
> oriented data manipulation tools and databses gets a bit wierd.
>
> But maybe I'm just too old a greybeard.
>
> I don't want or need a gui to manage a system. Just vi and
> my brain understanding it all.

You can't do much with a vi in AIX. For everything they introduced some
secret "database"-stuff. If you like the old days when you could
administer everything in text-files then you cannot like AIX.
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