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From: Joerg on 18 Apr 2008 14:11 Chuck Harris wrote: > Joerg wrote: > >> >> I'd be interested in teaching once I retire but the bureaucratic >> hurdles are so high that it might have to be in a more private >> setting, without academic institutions, colleges or schools involved. >> I am not going to spend thousands on a teaching credential just to >> appease some bureaucrat. And the students must be motivated, otherwise >> I won't do it. > > Teaching doesn't require much in the way of credentials for university > level. > Getting on the tenure track is an entirely different matter. > There shouldn't be any tenure in the first place. There is a reason why the tenure concept does not exist in industry. Just my humble opinion. > If you want to teach, head off to see the dean of your local > university/community > college, and ask what they need. Not much money, but it still can be a > very > satisfying experience. > Some day I will, when I throttle back design work and money (hopefully) isn't a big issue. It doesn't have to be any ritzy school as long as the audience is motivated and the school isn't a huge driving distance away. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joel Koltner on 18 Apr 2008 14:51 "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:Zv5Oj.4677$iK6.2580(a)nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... > There shouldn't be any tenure in the first place. There is a reason why the > tenure concept does not exist in industry. Just my humble opinion. Doesn't tenure just mean that you have to screw up particularly badly to get fired? And that even after you officially quit teaching/researching you're generally still allowed to come and play in the lab and perhaps have an office? Or is there more to it than that? I was asked to write a letter of recommendation for a professor I had to turn him from an assistant professor into a full-fledged (and perhaps tenure track?) professor. He's a good teacher so I was happy to do it, but I found it a little odd that the professor in charge of this whole process said, "If you don't feel you can write a letter that presents [this guy] in a positive light, it's OK -- let me know and we'll find someone else." Hmmm....! > Some day I will, when I throttle back design work and money (hopefully) > isn't a big issue. It doesn't have to be any ritzy school as long as the > audience is motivated and the school isn't a huge driving distance away. These days "distance learning" is becoming quite popular. You could probably host your own classes on more advanced/specialized topics (where they might not be enough people interested to get an actual physical class together in a smaller town), set it up so that everyone gets audio & video and remote students can send back audio (for questions/discussion), charge tuition to cover the conference server feels, your costs and compensation, etc. and be quite successful. Doug Smith (http://www.emcesd.com/) appears to have done pretty well with his approach of giving away a *significant* amount of useful information for free and then having a subscription service for those who want even more. ---Joel
From: Joerg on 18 Apr 2008 15:28 Joel Koltner wrote: > "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote in message > news:Zv5Oj.4677$iK6.2580(a)nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com... >> There shouldn't be any tenure in the first place. There is a reason why the >> tenure concept does not exist in industry. Just my humble opinion. > > Doesn't tenure just mean that you have to screw up particularly badly to get > fired? And that even after you officially quit teaching/researching you're > generally still allowed to come and play in the lab and perhaps have an > office? Or is there more to it than that? > Plus probably a nice retirement benefit. > I was asked to write a letter of recommendation for a professor I had to turn > him from an assistant professor into a full-fledged (and perhaps tenure > track?) professor. He's a good teacher so I was happy to do it, but I found > it a little odd that the professor in charge of this whole process said, "If > you don't feel you can write a letter that presents [this guy] in a positive > light, it's OK -- let me know and we'll find someone else." Hmmm....! > That is strange. Normally they should have known this guy inside out before even offering tenure if that's what his new position entails. >> Some day I will, when I throttle back design work and money (hopefully) >> isn't a big issue. It doesn't have to be any ritzy school as long as the >> audience is motivated and the school isn't a huge driving distance away. > > These days "distance learning" is becoming quite popular. You could probably > host your own classes on more advanced/specialized topics (where they might > not be enough people interested to get an actual physical class together in a > smaller town), set it up so that everyone gets audio & video and remote > students can send back audio (for questions/discussion), charge tuition to > cover the conference server feels, your costs and compensation, etc. and be > quite successful. > True, but I am a believer in face to face sessions when it comes to explaining EE matters. You can't beat the hands-on training in front of a big scope or analyzer. "Sir, I can't get that dang thang to trigger!" > Doug Smith (http://www.emcesd.com/) appears to have done pretty well with his > approach of giving away a *significant* amount of useful information for free > and then having a subscription service for those who want even more. > Yes, his site is indeed excellent. I am surprised IEEE lets him publish his papers. When I wrote papers for IEEE transactions there was a pretty clear statement that you pretty much surrender copyright to them. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joel Koltner on 18 Apr 2008 15:57 "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:KD6Oj.9778$2g1.2542(a)nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... > That is strange. Normally they should have known this guy inside out before > even offering tenure if that's what his new position entails. I believe they did know him inside and out, were happy with his performance, and that's why it happened: They had already decided they were going to offer him the promotion, but some standard procedure required getting a student evaluation as well... so they had to find someone who was willing to write up a positive one. I just think it's strange that they bother getting a student evaluation when their minds are already made up... since it then puts them in the rather awkward position of having to say, "Please write us a good evaluation, or if you don't feel you can, that's OK, we'll find someone else..." Weird. Perhaps they'd do better to ask a handful of students to write up objective evaluations without the pressure of "...but, um, it has to be positive?" -- and then culling any that were negative? :-) I suppose they're stuck in a way... being tied to the government (they're a land-grant university) means they have to follow lots of procedures that regular businesses don't. Regarding the nice retirement packages... my understanding was that state workers ended up with rather cushy retirement packages in exchange for having to accept noticeably below-average salaries (relative to private industry) during their working years. In Oreogn we have the PERS (Public Employee Retirement System) which used to work this way, but the "cushy" benefits were signifcantly reduced via the ballot box when some interested parties pointed out how much better PERS was than what those folks in private industry get. Hence you now have a system where public employee pay still isn't competitive with private industry and now the retirement isn't either! This was a common topic of complaint by the professors (that you'd get to know well enough) when I was in grad school; a significant number left for private industry during that time, and I certainly coudn't blame them. That being said, I don't know enough to evaluate whether or not public jobs are still attractive when you look at the total package -- some people would argue they are and that PERS benefit reductions were just "corrections" to a system that had become too "generous" in its compensation. ---Joel
From: Joerg on 18 Apr 2008 16:22
Joel Koltner wrote: > "Joerg" <notthisjoergsch(a)removethispacbell.net> wrote in message > news:KD6Oj.9778$2g1.2542(a)nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >> That is strange. Normally they should have known this guy inside out before >> even offering tenure if that's what his new position entails. > > I believe they did know him inside and out, were happy with his performance, > and that's why it happened: They had already decided they were going to offer > him the promotion, but some standard procedure required getting a student > evaluation as well... so they had to find someone who was willing to write up > a positive one. I just think it's strange that they bother getting a student > evaluation when their minds are already made up... since it then puts them in > the rather awkward position of having to say, "Please write us a good > evaluation, or if you don't feel you can, that's OK, we'll find someone > else..." Weird. > > Perhaps they'd do better to ask a handful of students to write up objective > evaluations without the pressure of "...but, um, it has to be positive?" -- > and then culling any that were negative? :-) I suppose they're stuck in a > way... being tied to the government (they're a land-grant university) means > they have to follow lots of procedures that regular businesses don't. > > Regarding the nice retirement packages... my understanding was that state > workers ended up with rather cushy retirement packages in exchange for having > to accept noticeably below-average salaries (relative to private industry) > during their working years. In Oreogn we have the PERS (Public Employee > Retirement System) which used to work this way, but the "cushy" benefits were > signifcantly reduced via the ballot box when some interested parties pointed > out how much better PERS was than what those folks in private industry get. > Hence you now have a system where public employee pay still isn't competitive > with private industry and now the retirement isn't either! This was a common > topic of complaint by the professors (that you'd get to know well enough) when > I was in grad school; a significant number left for private industry during > that time, and I certainly coudn't blame them. > > That being said, I don't know enough to evaluate whether or not public jobs > are still attractive when you look at the total package -- some people would > argue they are and that PERS benefit reductions were just "corrections" to a > system that had become too "generous" in its compensation. > All I know from here (CA) is that their benefits are mind-boggling. Paid sick leave, fat disability payments where lots of people tried and succeeded to be declared "disabled", cradle-to-grave medical with hardly any co-pay. The latter alone will saddle our communities with previously unheard of debt. Oh, and then lots of jobs have the retirement benefit tied to the last work year. So, folks have themselves transferred into high-cost areas such as the Bay Area for 13 months or so, then move back. That ratchets their monthly checks up substantially, until their dying day. That ain't right. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |