From: jj on
I thought the DVR had a "video out" option. If so, couldn't you play
back the recorded video from the DVR's hard drive, and output the
play-back via a Video Out S-Video or composite to the ATI card?

You could then record the DVR's "play back" to the PC's hard drive.
It's just looking for a video/audio signal, it doesn't care where it
comes from does it, e.g., cable, S-Video, composite, component, etc.?

Thanks.

jj
=========
Ken Maltby wrote:
> "jj" <jjj.nosspam(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:A6rsh.13296$w91.1866(a)newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>My condo building is switching cable companies on March 1, from Comcast to
>>Direct TV. Have an ATI AIW X800XT, and currently have basic cable with
>>the cable line going directly into the ATI card.
>>
>>On March 1, will have Direct TV with a DVR. Went with the DVR because the
>>problem I have today with recording TV programs to my hard drive, is that
>>I use my PC 14-16 hours/day for personal/work reasons, and can't record
>>while I'm working (not enough CPU/memory for good recordings).
>>
>>I'd like to use the DVR to record the programs. But need to know if I can
>>connect the DVR using some sort of Audio/Video Out. I think the best the
>>DVR has is S-Video, unless you get the HD option, which I didn't because
>>no HD-TV yet).
>>
>>Is there a way to connect the DVR to my PC/ATI X800XT, and "play back"
>>programs from the DVR, and record to the PC's hard drive?
>>
>>If this is possible, it will allow me to record programs to the PC's hard
>>drive when not using my PC for business/pleasure. I need to get the video
>>to the PC hard drive, so I can use the Pinnacle software to edit out the
>>commercials, and burn the program to DVD. I'm making commercial-free DVD
>>collections of my favorite programs.
>>
>>Just wondered if anyone has a setup like this, using a DVR, and if it can
>>be configured to do what I just mentioned? If so, what's the best way to
>>configure it, and connect the DVR's audio/video to the ATI card?
>>
>>Thanks for any advice, help, etc. Much appreciated.
>>
>>Gary
>
>
> I have been recording shows off a DirecTiVo DVR for a long time
> now, and find it a great way to collect up the shows I like.
>
> There are several ways you could go with this.
>
> Probably the method that can create the best possible results is to
> hack the DVR's software so that you can extract the recorded
> video on the DVR's hard drive and convert that to standard DVD
> compliant .mpg in your PC. As I understand it, the DirecTV units
> don't and won't implement the "TiVo-To-Go" feature to accomplish
> this without hacking the DVR.
>
> Another possible approach would be to use a hard drive equipped
> DVD Recorder. Then you could save up edited episodes on the
> recorder's hard drive until you had the number you want for a DVD.
> This should be possible, but I much prefer doing such things on my
> computer, for one thing, on the computer I can use a keyboard and
> run more useful programs to edit and author a DVD.
>
>
> What I've been doing is to use the S-Video analog output, which
> has been of very good quality, to feed my PCI hardware MPEG
> capture card. (The card I use is no longer available, but the same
> reference design which uses the same IC chips is available as the
> "Snazzi III DVD Creator" PCI card http://www.snazzishop.com
> http://www.snazzishop.com/vcp.asp
> http://www.snazzishop.com/cart_dvdcreator_buy.asp)
>
> With this approach you have a great deal a control over the
> process and can setup a quick and easy workflow.
>
> Depending on the power of your system and with a good
> throughput, you could use the AIW and capture to DVD
> compliant MPEG with software. In any case you will want
> to have a separate hard drive for your capturing.
>
> Once you have DVD compliant MPEG files from your capture
> process, you can quickly and easily edit out the commercials
> using www.videoredo.com (This is an essential tool for anyone
> working with MPEG.) [You should edit the files off one drive
> and save the results to a different drive. You will see an
> improvement in processing time and throughput, for many
> processes using this technique.]
>
> You would then feed the edited files to your favorite Authoring
> Program and create your new DVD. (My favorite is TMPGEnc
> DVD Author 1.6 (TDA) but there are other good programs
> available now, many people like Ulead's Movie Factory, and
> DVDLab Pro is by far the most cost effective [but is a little
> complex for many, and for many routine uses.].
>
> You should check out sites like www.videohelp.com
> www.afterdawn.com www.doom9.org for info on the authoring
> process. Videohelp.com has listings of hardware and software
> with user comments, that can be very helpful.
>
> I seldom make video DVDs anymore, as I currently am
> converting everything to AVC/H.264 files on hard drives,
> (mostly on my NAS), but I still capture and edit out the
> commercials as I described above. I have setup a system
> to function as a HTPC for the livingroom. It plays the files
> off the NAS over my Gigabit LAN, with no problem, so far.
>
> ( You can see some of the MMB menus I made to play
> the files here:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/kmaltby(a)sbcglobal.net
>
> Just click on the pictures at the site, but to see them full
> size you can download them, they are small <200KB files.)
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
>
From: jj on
Thanks for the reply. I just wanted to know if I could record from the
DVR, as opposed to recording as I do today, directly from the cable
connection. The only thing that will be changing is the "source" of the
video.

Currently, it comes from my cable, connected to the AIW X800XT. If I go
with the DVR, just wanted to make sure I could change the "source" from
cable to RECORDED PROGRAMS on the DVR's hard drive, and use the DVR's
"Video Out" cable to connect it to the AIW.

The people at DirectTV told me their DVRs have video out, in composite
or S-Video. Just wanted to make sure I could connect that S-Video to my
X800XT, replacing the cable input.

But I would be "recording" on the PC's hard drive, programs that were
already recorded on the DVR's hard drive.

Some of you were talking about "hacking software", etc. That's what
confused me. I was looking for a more simpler solution, as described,
and wondered if it would work, and if anyone had tried something like
this before.

Sounds like it will work, but I have a funny feeling I won't know for
sure until I get the equipment, and try to hook it all up. Thanks again,

Gary
======
Ken Maltby wrote:

> That approach is also mentioned in my reply.
>
> "jj" <jjj.nosspam(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:aX_uh.16105$yx6.6884(a)newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>I thought the DVR had a "video out" option. If so, couldn't you play back
>>the recorded video from the DVR's hard drive, and output the play-back via
>>a Video Out S-Video or composite to the ATI card?
>>
>>You could then record the DVR's "play back" to the PC's hard drive. It's
>>just looking for a video/audio signal, it doesn't care where it comes from
>>does it, e.g., cable, S-Video, composite, component, etc.?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>jj
>>=========
>>Ken Maltby wrote:
>>
>>>"jj" <jjj.nosspam(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:A6rsh.13296$w91.1866(a)newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>My condo building is switching cable companies on March 1, from Comcast
>>>>to Direct TV. Have an ATI AIW X800XT, and currently have basic cable
>>>>with the cable line going directly into the ATI card.
>>>>
>>>>On March 1, will have Direct TV with a DVR. Went with the DVR because
>>>>the problem I have today with recording TV programs to my hard drive, is
>>>>that I use my PC 14-16 hours/day for personal/work reasons, and can't
>>>>record while I'm working (not enough CPU/memory for good recordings).
>>>>
>>>>I'd like to use the DVR to record the programs. But need to know if I
>>>>can connect the DVR using some sort of Audio/Video Out. I think the best
>>>>the DVR has is S-Video, unless you get the HD option, which I didn't
>>>>because no HD-TV yet).
>>>>
>>>>Is there a way to connect the DVR to my PC/ATI X800XT, and "play back"
>>>>programs from the DVR, and record to the PC's hard drive?
>>>>
>>>>If this is possible, it will allow me to record programs to the PC's hard
>>>>drive when not using my PC for business/pleasure. I need to get the video
>>>>to the PC hard drive, so I can use the Pinnacle software to edit out the
>>>>commercials, and burn the program to DVD. I'm making commercial-free DVD
>>>>collections of my favorite programs.
>>>>
>>>>Just wondered if anyone has a setup like this, using a DVR, and if it can
>>>>be configured to do what I just mentioned? If so, what's the best way to
>>>>configure it, and connect the DVR's audio/video to the ATI card?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any advice, help, etc. Much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been recording shows off a DirecTiVo DVR for a long time
>>>now, and find it a great way to collect up the shows I like.
>>>
>>> There are several ways you could go with this.
>>>
>>> Probably the method that can create the best possible results is to
>>>hack the DVR's software so that you can extract the recorded
>>>video on the DVR's hard drive and convert that to standard DVD
>>>compliant .mpg in your PC. As I understand it, the DirecTV units
>>>don't and won't implement the "TiVo-To-Go" feature to accomplish
>>>this without hacking the DVR.
>>>
>>> Another possible approach would be to use a hard drive equipped
>>>DVD Recorder. Then you could save up edited episodes on the
>>>recorder's hard drive until you had the number you want for a DVD.
>>>This should be possible, but I much prefer doing such things on my
>>>computer, for one thing, on the computer I can use a keyboard and
>>>run more useful programs to edit and author a DVD.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I've been doing is to use the S-Video analog output, which
>>>has been of very good quality, to feed my PCI hardware MPEG
>>>capture card. (The card I use is no longer available, but the same
>>>reference design which uses the same IC chips is available as the
>>>"Snazzi III DVD Creator" PCI card http://www.snazzishop.com
>>>http://www.snazzishop.com/vcp.asp
>>>http://www.snazzishop.com/cart_dvdcreator_buy.asp)
>>>
>>> With this approach you have a great deal a control over the
>>>process and can setup a quick and easy workflow.
>>>
>>> Depending on the power of your system and with a good
>>>throughput, you could use the AIW and capture to DVD
>>>compliant MPEG with software. In any case you will want
>>>to have a separate hard drive for your capturing.
>>>
>>> Once you have DVD compliant MPEG files from your capture
>>>process, you can quickly and easily edit out the commercials
>>>using www.videoredo.com (This is an essential tool for anyone
>>>working with MPEG.) [You should edit the files off one drive
>>>and save the results to a different drive. You will see an
>>>improvement in processing time and throughput, for many
>>>processes using this technique.]
>>>
>>> You would then feed the edited files to your favorite Authoring
>>>Program and create your new DVD. (My favorite is TMPGEnc
>>>DVD Author 1.6 (TDA) but there are other good programs
>>>available now, many people like Ulead's Movie Factory, and
>>>DVDLab Pro is by far the most cost effective [but is a little
>>>complex for many, and for many routine uses.].
>>>
>>> You should check out sites like www.videohelp.com
>>>www.afterdawn.com www.doom9.org for info on the authoring
>>>process. Videohelp.com has listings of hardware and software
>>>with user comments, that can be very helpful.
>>>
>>> I seldom make video DVDs anymore, as I currently am
>>>converting everything to AVC/H.264 files on hard drives,
>>>(mostly on my NAS), but I still capture and edit out the
>>>commercials as I described above. I have setup a system
>>>to function as a HTPC for the livingroom. It plays the files
>>>off the NAS over my Gigabit LAN, with no problem, so far.
>>>
>>>( You can see some of the MMB menus I made to play
>>>the files here:
>>> http://photos.yahoo.com/kmaltby(a)sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>> Just click on the pictures at the site, but to see them full
>>>size you can download them, they are small <200KB files.)
>>>
>>>Luck;
>>> Ken
>>>
>
>
>