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From: David W. Hodgins on 28 Oct 2007 02:47
I'm considering going from dialup to dsl. I currently have the
dmarcation point, on the outside of my house, a couple of feet from
the powerpanel.

On the plywood where the power panel is mounted, where the telephone
line from outside connects, there is a 4 wire connection box, that has
a center terminal, connected to ground via the wire pipe, with lightning
"resisters". There used to be 2 telephone lines in use here, but
currently, there is only one.

The current telephone box, on the plywood panel has 5 telephone lines
connected going from there throughout the house, and undergroung
through a sealed pvx pipe to a seperate garage.

I'm planning on installing a new 4 pin junction box, moving the existing
5 lines to it, with a single DSL filter connecting it to the existing
box. I'll be running an unfiltered line from the existing box, to the
dsl modem/router, with ethernet, from the dsl modem to my computer.

My question is, should I use a short line from the telephone box
to the DSL modem, with a 30 ft ethernet cable, or a 30 ft telephone
line to the DSL, modem, with a short ethernet cable, to the computer's
ethernet card?

Which would be likely to give me the best throughput?

Given the recent conversations here, this seems like a good place to
ask.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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From: Wes Newell on 28 Oct 2007 03:16
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:47:23 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

> My question is, should I use a short line from the telephone box to the
> DSL modem, with a 30 ft ethernet cable, or a 30 ft telephone line to the
> DSL, modem, with a short ethernet cable, to the computer's ethernet
> card?

From tel terminal box to jack for dsl modem all you need is standard
telephone wire, although cat3 has pretty much become the wire used for
that these days. However, I'd run cat5 for future upgrading to fios or
something else. That way you won't have to do anything if/when they
change to fiber in the future. The DSL modem filter adapter connects to a
standard phone jack. You don't connect the dsl modem direct to the phone
line. You can have all the actual phones behind one filter though if you
like. Or you can put a filter on each end of the line if you have enough.

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From: Adam on 28 Oct 2007 18:44
David W. Hodgins wrote:
> I'm considering going from dialup to dsl.
[snip]
> My question is, should I use a short line from the telephone box
> to the DSL modem, with a 30 ft ethernet cable, or a 30 ft telephone
> line to the DSL, modem, with a short ethernet cable, to the computer's
> ethernet card?

Finally, a thread where I think I can actually add something, based on
my limited experience of a few months ago.

Either way should work. One question that I was told was, basically,
"unanswerable" was how much difference the last few feet of cabling
made. After all, there are already several thousand feet of wiring, and
some splices, between the CO and your home, of uncertain (and not easily
changeable) quality. But you already knew that both ways would work,
and wanted to know which was preferable.

Now I'm not an expert in this (far from it!), but if I were in your
situation, I'd go for a short cable from your computer to the DSL modem,
and a long cable from the telephone box to the DSL modem. In fact,
that's what I did. What *might* make a difference is using a
broadband/ADSL patch cable for the run from the phone box to the DSL
modem. This has regular RJ-11/14 connectors on each end, but is made
with twisted-pair wiring, or at least something that's better than
regular phone wiring. Just as an example, in the US, RadioShack (not
the cheapest place) has # 279-108, 25 feet, $15.

The main advantage of this setup is that this puts the DSL modem (or
modem/router) near your computer. This way you can see the its lights
to tell you what's going on, you can fiddle with its switches and
connections without having to go very far, and you can plug it into the
same power strip as the rest of your system if you want to. Make sure
the phone line has a surge protector too.

I never even thought about the other way, because the "starter kit" that
Verizon DSL sent me included fairly short RJ-45 (computer to router) and
RJ-11 (wall jack, or in my case surge protector, to router) cables,
which clearly implied that the modem/router would be near the computer.
I already had a dollar-store RJ-11 cable running the 40 feet from the
duplex adapter on the wall jack to my dialup modem, but soon replaced
that. And now I have a printer also connected to the DSL router, which
would be much harder if the router was some distance away. BTW if you
have a choice between a DSL modem and a modem/router, get the router.

Regarding those DSL microfilters that you have to attach to everything
else: You might want to put them right by each device, instead of using
one central one. In my case, the phone line output of my surge
protector has one of those duplex jacks. One line goes to the DSL
router with Verizon's twisted-pair cable, the other goes through the DSL
filter to my dialup faxmodem and a small phone that's plugged into the
faxmodem. This means that I can still use my faxmodem to send, and
presumably receive, faxes, and I can still use the telephone that's
connected to it. BTW Verizon never asked me how many filters I wanted,
but sent me a bag of five, all for desktop phones. If I'd needed more,
or needed one for a wall-mounted phone, I suppose I would have had to
buy my own, at $10-15 each.

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From: Robert M. Riches Jr. on 29 Oct 2007 13:17
On 2007-10-28, Adam <look(a)bottom.for.address> wrote:
> David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> I'm considering going from dialup to dsl.
> [snip]
>> My question is, should I use a short line from the telephone box
>> to the DSL modem, with a 30 ft ethernet cable, or a 30 ft telephone
>> line to the DSL, modem, with a short ethernet cable, to the computer's
>> ethernet card?
>
> Finally, a thread where I think I can actually add something, based on
> my limited experience of a few months ago.
>
> Either way should work. One question that I was told was, basically,
> "unanswerable" was how much difference the last few feet of cabling
> made. After all, there are already several thousand feet of wiring, and
> some splices, between the CO and your home, of uncertain (and not easily
> changeable) quality. But you already knew that both ways would work,
> and wanted to know which was preferable.
>
> Now I'm not an expert in this (far from it!), but if I were in your
> situation, I'd go for a short cable from your computer to the DSL modem,
> and a long cable from the telephone box to the DSL modem. In fact,
> that's what I did. What *might* make a difference is using a
> broadband/ADSL patch cable for the run from the phone box to the DSL
> modem. This has regular RJ-11/14 connectors on each end, but is made
> with twisted-pair wiring, or at least something that's better than
> regular phone wiring. Just as an example, in the US, RadioShack (not
> the cheapest place) has # 279-108, 25 feet, $15.
>
> The main advantage of this setup is that this puts the DSL modem (or
> modem/router) near your computer. This way you can see the its lights
> to tell you what's going on, you can fiddle with its switches and
> connections without having to go very far, and you can plug it into the
> same power strip as the rest of your system if you want to. Make sure
> the phone line has a surge protector too.

I'll second that: Having the modem close to the computer is
useful, especially when troubleshooting.

> ...
> Regarding those DSL microfilters that you have to attach to everything
> else: You might want to put them right by each device, instead of using
> one central one. In my case, the phone line output of my surge
> protector has one of those duplex jacks. One line goes to the DSL
> router with Verizon's twisted-pair cable, the other goes through the DSL
> filter to my dialup faxmodem and a small phone that's plugged into the
> faxmodem. This means that I can still use my faxmodem to send, and
> presumably receive, faxes, and I can still use the telephone that's
> connected to it. BTW Verizon never asked me how many filters I wanted,
> but sent me a bag of five, all for desktop phones. If I'd needed more,
> or needed one for a wall-mounted phone, I suppose I would have had to
> buy my own, at $10-15 each.

Or, if you have a GoodWill or comparable thrift store
nearby, they will probably have a bunch of DSL microfilters
for a dollar or two each.

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From: David W. Hodgins on 29 Oct 2007 17:37
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:44:55 -0400, Adam <look(a)bottom.for.address> wrote:

> The main advantage of this setup is that this puts the DSL modem (or
> modem/router) near your computer. This way you can see the its lights
> to tell you what's going on, you can fiddle with its switches and

Thanks for the replies from you, Wes and Robert. I think that is the route
I'll take, since, as you point out, it makes trouble shooting easier, and
likely won't make any difference to the s/n level.

> Regarding those DSL microfilters that you have to attach to everything
> else: You might want to put them right by each device, instead of using
> one central one. In my case, the phone line output of my surge

Two of the phones (kitchen and garage) are wall mounts, where there just
isn't room for the filters. The various dsl providers available in this
area, all seem to be charging $5 per filter. I think I'll go with two.
One central one, for the regular phone lines, and one at the computer
for the fax modem. Thanks for the reminder of the need for that one.

I'll be sure to get a router dsl modem.

The power bar I'm using has a surge supressors for the phone line, which
I'll then split, with one line for the dsl modem, and one filtered line
for the fax modem.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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