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From: Pete Puma on 21 Apr 2008 15:09
On Monday 21 April 2008 02:59 pm, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:

> Pete Puma wrote:
>> On Monday 21 April 2008 11:56 am, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>>
>>> Skippyboy wrote:
>>>> Trying out news.motzarella.org using port 443...
>>>>
>>>> I tried doing this with Rootshell.be and slrn - but could NOT do it.
>>>> This is using my winderz box at work, and Thunderbird.
>>> Just a bit more info... I read Houghi's posts about rootshell.be and
>>> slrn. I was able to set up a rootshell account and get slrn configured
>>> with Motzarella.org, but for some reason simply can NOT post from
>>> rootshell.be
>>>
>>> Using Thunderbird on my winderz box I am posting this. (using same
>>> username/port) I wonder if there is some permission setting needed for
>>> slrn/rootshell to post?
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> You know, I have to wonder why anyone would use slrn, although I know a
>> few of you guys do. I find it painful. It certainly isn't speedy or
>> efficient and to me, seems as cumbersome as using a web browser to access
>> NNTP.
>>
>> So, what's the big attraction? LMK if I'm missing something here. Are you
>> forced to remain in command mode while newsreading, or... some kind of
>> masochistic rite of passage, etc...?
>>
>> Please enlighten...
>>
> It is a learning experience among other things. I find that the more
> applications I expose myself to, and the ways they work and are
> configured, the more I understand a lot of other apps.
>
> Not all the world is a GUI, and not everyone wants to always be bound by
> a GUI. And as far as reading news with slrn - it is actually quite nice.
> It is really fast to just hit a few keys and not having to use a mouse
> to click-click-click.
>
> Also - I am interested in learning to use slrn with my rootshell.be
> account for privacy and security reasons. With rootshell - I have a SSH
> session, so no matter where I am logging in from - nobody on the network
> can see where I go or what I do. (Not that I am doing anything illegal,
> I just hate nosy people.)
>
> Like I stated previously - I can configure Thunderbird just fine, and I
> am connected to motzarella.org with a secure port (port 443), and I can
> read and post just fine. I would just like to be able to do the same
> with slrc. So far I can only READ with slrc, and not post.

Thanks, that's the kind of answer I was looking for.
I never did use the keyboard, so I probably didn't get the point of the
whole experience. Plus, jumping in from the terminal sounds surreptitiously
convenient...
Cheers.

--
If a child annoys you, quiet him by brushing his hair. If this doesn't
work, use the other side of the brush on the other end of the child.

From: Skippyboy on 21 Apr 2008 15:16
Pete Puma wrote:
> On Monday 21 April 2008 02:59 pm, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>
>> Pete Puma wrote:
>>> On Monday 21 April 2008 11:56 am, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>>>
>>>> Skippyboy wrote:
>>>>> Trying out news.motzarella.org using port 443...
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried doing this with Rootshell.be and slrn - but could NOT do it.
>>>>> This is using my winderz box at work, and Thunderbird.
>>>> Just a bit more info... I read Houghi's posts about rootshell.be and
>>>> slrn. I was able to set up a rootshell account and get slrn configured
>>>> with Motzarella.org, but for some reason simply can NOT post from
>>>> rootshell.be
>>>>
>>>> Using Thunderbird on my winderz box I am posting this. (using same
>>>> username/port) I wonder if there is some permission setting needed for
>>>> slrn/rootshell to post?
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> You know, I have to wonder why anyone would use slrn, although I know a
>>> few of you guys do. I find it painful. It certainly isn't speedy or
>>> efficient and to me, seems as cumbersome as using a web browser to access
>>> NNTP.
>>>
>>> So, what's the big attraction? LMK if I'm missing something here. Are you
>>> forced to remain in command mode while newsreading, or... some kind of
>>> masochistic rite of passage, etc...?
>>>
>>> Please enlighten...
>>>
>> It is a learning experience among other things. I find that the more
>> applications I expose myself to, and the ways they work and are
>> configured, the more I understand a lot of other apps.
>>
>> Not all the world is a GUI, and not everyone wants to always be bound by
>> a GUI. And as far as reading news with slrn - it is actually quite nice.
>> It is really fast to just hit a few keys and not having to use a mouse
>> to click-click-click.
>>
>> Also - I am interested in learning to use slrn with my rootshell.be
>> account for privacy and security reasons. With rootshell - I have a SSH
>> session, so no matter where I am logging in from - nobody on the network
>> can see where I go or what I do. (Not that I am doing anything illegal,
>> I just hate nosy people.)
>>
>> Like I stated previously - I can configure Thunderbird just fine, and I
>> am connected to motzarella.org with a secure port (port 443), and I can
>> read and post just fine. I would just like to be able to do the same
>> with slrc. So far I can only READ with slrc, and not post.
>
> Thanks, that's the kind of answer I was looking for.
> I never did use the keyboard, so I probably didn't get the point of the
> whole experience. Plus, jumping in from the terminal sounds surreptitiously
> convenient...
> Cheers.
>
I actually had to look up "surreptitious". Thanks for increasing my
vocabulary.
Anyway - I travel a lot, and sitting in airports, coffee shops, and
hotels with a wi-fi connection and Wireshark running will show you LOTS
of things that other people are doing. If you are bored sometime - give
it a shot. And make sure you watch what happens when you try to connect
to "Free Public Wifi". Seems that one is at every airport I go to.. :-)

I prefer not letting people look over my shoulder/wifi...
From: Pete Puma on 21 Apr 2008 16:02
On Monday 21 April 2008 03:16 pm, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:

> Pete Puma wrote:
>> On Monday 21 April 2008 02:59 pm, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>>
>>> Pete Puma wrote:
>>>> On Monday 21 April 2008 11:56 am, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Skippyboy wrote:
>>>>>> Trying out news.motzarella.org using port 443...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried doing this with Rootshell.be and slrn - but could NOT do it.
>>>>>> This is using my winderz box at work, and Thunderbird.
>>>>> Just a bit more info... I read Houghi's posts about rootshell.be and
>>>>> slrn. I was able to set up a rootshell account and get slrn configured
>>>>> with Motzarella.org, but for some reason simply can NOT post from
>>>>> rootshell.be
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Thunderbird on my winderz box I am posting this. (using same
>>>>> username/port) I wonder if there is some permission setting needed for
>>>>> slrn/rootshell to post?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have to wonder why anyone would use slrn, although I know a
>>>> few of you guys do. I find it painful. It certainly isn't speedy or
>>>> efficient and to me, seems as cumbersome as using a web browser to
>>>> access NNTP.
>>>>
>>>> So, what's the big attraction? LMK if I'm missing something here. Are
>>>> you forced to remain in command mode while newsreading, or... some kind
>>>> of masochistic rite of passage, etc...?
>>>>
>>>> Please enlighten...
>>>>
>>> It is a learning experience among other things. I find that the more
>>> applications I expose myself to, and the ways they work and are
>>> configured, the more I understand a lot of other apps.
>>>
>>> Not all the world is a GUI, and not everyone wants to always be bound by
>>> a GUI. And as far as reading news with slrn - it is actually quite nice.
>>> It is really fast to just hit a few keys and not having to use a mouse
>>> to click-click-click.
>>>
>>> Also - I am interested in learning to use slrn with my rootshell.be
>>> account for privacy and security reasons. With rootshell - I have a SSH
>>> session, so no matter where I am logging in from - nobody on the network
>>> can see where I go or what I do. (Not that I am doing anything illegal,
>>> I just hate nosy people.)
>>>
>>> Like I stated previously - I can configure Thunderbird just fine, and I
>>> am connected to motzarella.org with a secure port (port 443), and I can
>>> read and post just fine. I would just like to be able to do the same
>>> with slrc. So far I can only READ with slrc, and not post.
>>
>> Thanks, that's the kind of answer I was looking for.
>> I never did use the keyboard, so I probably didn't get the point of the
>> whole experience. Plus, jumping in from the terminal sounds
>> surreptitiously convenient...
>> Cheers.
>>
> I actually had to look up "surreptitious". Thanks for increasing my
> vocabulary.
> Anyway - I travel a lot, and sitting in airports, coffee shops, and
> hotels with a wi-fi connection and Wireshark running will show you LOTS
> of things that other people are doing. If you are bored sometime - give
> it a shot. And make sure you watch what happens when you try to connect
> to "Free Public Wifi". Seems that one is at every airport I go to.. :-)
>
> I prefer not letting people look over my shoulder/wifi...

I Wiresharked my nephew at my sis's house to quell her anxiety over why he
was spending non-stop hours of time on IM.
My report: he had a girlfriend! Once I started reading personal 14 year-old
conversations, I exited in total embarrassment.
Still feel guilty about that.
Nonetheless, Wireshark does work great, especially if you don't have a
guilty conscience... :)

--
"How do you like the new America? We've cut the fat out of the
government, and more recently the heart and brain (the backbone was
gone some time ago). All we seem to have left now is muscle. We'll be
lucky to escape with our skins!"

From: Skippyboy on 21 Apr 2008 16:07
Pete Puma wrote:
<snip>
> Nonetheless, Wireshark does work great, especially if you don't have a
> guilty conscience... :)
>
That was kinda my point of using SSH and/or port 443. Lots of people out
there who DON'T have any conscience, and have no qualms about
listening/wiresharking other peoples information/data. Using the
rootshell.be and slrn - nobody is able to view my data directly -
because you know... this isn't the only newsgroup out there. :-)
From: Vahis on 21 Apr 2008 23:35
On 2008-04-21, Pete Puma <pete(a)puma.org> wrote:
> On Monday 21 April 2008 02:59 pm, Skippyboy @ skippyboy(a)dev.null wrote:
>
>> Pete Puma wrote:

<snip>

>>> You know, I have to wonder why anyone would use slrn, although I know a
>>> few of you guys do. I find it painful. It certainly isn't speedy or
>>> efficient and to me, seems as cumbersome as using a web browser to access
>>> NNTP.
>>>
>>> So, what's the big attraction? LMK if I'm missing something here. Are you
>>> forced to remain in command mode while newsreading, or... some kind of
>>> masochistic rite of passage, etc...?
>>>
>>> Please enlighten...

I'm using it for two reasons:

1. It has splendid scoring capabilities.

2. I have it running on my server at home. I can access the same
newsreader as well locally as from anywhere and and with anything.

I'm also using screen, of course. So I can drop the connection
(or be dropped) and I can come back anytime and anywhere just where I
left it.

"Anything" here is like over GPRS with a mobile phone/Putty.

If I had a newreader on my phone (there are no good ones and the display
is no good for GUI) how would I keep the two in sync?

I can also monitor and do whatever else on my server via this
connection.

If you come up with a better solution for a mobile phone, please tell
us :)

<snip>
>
> Thanks, that's the kind of answer I was looking for.
> I never did use the keyboard, so I probably didn't get the point of the
> whole experience. Plus, jumping in from the terminal sounds surreptitiously
> convenient...
> Cheers.
>

That comment told me you wanted to know, not just troll...

Have a Google for: ssh2, screen, Putty, slrn scoring.

Vahis
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