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From: XeNO on 24 Apr 2008 15:44
This question is more academic than anything else, but here goes:

Just recently kicked up my Doors discography to my PC, and yeah-it's been
years since I listened to them. Something interesting though, all the drums
are hard-panned left, one of the guitars is there too, and the right channel
essentially has the lead and most of the organ stuff. What the hell is the
theory behind this? Just trying to make Morrison's voice pop more? In
earphones it kinda wears my left ear out-there's death metal that doesn't
kill my ears like that, lol. Obviously headphones weren't thought about
then and that's a good reason that the mix is done like that, as stereo
would still have been (relatively) new then and most studios were probably
just milking the new thing for all it was worth. Any knowledge, ideas? Oh,
this is on their first album "The Doors."

I had thought perhaps it was the low budget that the first record would have
had... some songs have nasty clipping b/c they probably only had one
session. But the technique was done again on "Strange Days."

Any insights from an experienced engineer?


From: Scott Dorsey on 24 Apr 2008 16:04
XeNO <xeno6696(a)nospam.never.cox.net> wrote:
>This question is more academic than anything else, but here goes:
>
>Just recently kicked up my Doors discography to my PC, and yeah-it's been
>years since I listened to them. Something interesting though, all the drums
>are hard-panned left, one of the guitars is there too, and the right channel
>essentially has the lead and most of the organ stuff. What the hell is the
>theory behind this? Just trying to make Morrison's voice pop more? In
>earphones it kinda wears my left ear out-there's death metal that doesn't
>kill my ears like that, lol. Obviously headphones weren't thought about
>then and that's a good reason that the mix is done like that, as stereo
>would still have been (relatively) new then and most studios were probably
>just milking the new thing for all it was worth. Any knowledge, ideas? Oh,
>this is on their first album "The Doors."

Could well have been done on a console without any pans, just a switch for
left/center/right.

Could also have been individual tracks that were never intended for stereo
release, but were intended for mixdown to mono. This is what happened to
the Beatles... someone at EMI got the idea they could take the multitracks
which had fairly arbitrary layouts and issue them as stereo.

>I had thought perhaps it was the low budget that the first record would have
>had... some songs have nasty clipping b/c they probably only had one
>session. But the technique was done again on "Strange Days."

Could have been deliberate or not. I suggest looking in the Mix Magazine
indices to see if they have done an article on the early Doors albums.
I bet they have.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Les Cargill on 24 Apr 2008 17:14
XeNO wrote:
> This question is more academic than anything else, but here goes:
>
> Just recently kicked up my Doors discography to my PC, and yeah-it's
> been years since I listened to them. Something interesting though, all
> the drums are hard-panned left, one of the guitars is there too, and the
> right channel essentially has the lead and most of the organ stuff.
> What the hell is the theory behind this? Just trying to make Morrison's
> voice pop more? In earphones it kinda wears my left ear out-there's
> death metal that doesn't kill my ears like that, lol. Obviously
> headphones weren't thought about then and that's a good reason that the
> mix is done like that, as stereo would still have been (relatively) new
> then and most studios were probably just milking the new thing for all
> it was worth. Any knowledge, ideas? Oh, this is on their first album
> "The Doors."
>
> I had thought perhaps it was the low budget that the first record would
> have had... some songs have nasty clipping b/c they probably only had
> one session. But the technique was done again on "Strange Days."
>
> Any insights from an experienced engineer?
>
>

http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Albums-Doors/dp/B0015UKX74

--
Les Cargill
From: We Can Do It on 24 Apr 2008 18:08

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message
news:fuqp4i$ed4$1(a)panix2.panix.com...
> XeNO <xeno6696(a)nospam.never.cox.net> wrote:
>>This question is more academic than anything else, but here
>>goes:
>>
>>Just recently kicked up my Doors discography to my PC, and
>>yeah-it's been
>>years since I listened to them. Something interesting
>>though, all the drums
>>are hard-panned left, one of the guitars is there too, and
>>the right channel
>>essentially has the lead and most of the organ stuff. What
>>the hell is the
>>theory behind this? Just trying to make Morrison's voice
>>pop more? In
>>earphones it kinda wears my left ear out-there's death metal
>>that doesn't
>>kill my ears like that, lol. Obviously headphones weren't
>>thought about
>>then and that's a good reason that the mix is done like
>>that, as stereo
>>would still have been (relatively) new then and most studios
>>were probably
>>just milking the new thing for all it was worth. Any
>>knowledge, ideas? Oh,
>>this is on their first album "The Doors."
>
> Could well have been done on a console without any pans,
> just a switch for
> left/center/right.
>
> Could also have been individual tracks that were never
> intended for stereo
> release, but were intended for mixdown to mono. This is
> what happened to
> the Beatles... someone at EMI got the idea they could take
> the multitracks
> which had fairly arbitrary layouts and issue them as stereo.
>
>>I had thought perhaps it was the low budget that the first
>>record would have
>>had... some songs have nasty clipping b/c they probably only
>>had one
>>session. But the technique was done again on "Strange
>>Days."
>
> Could have been deliberate or not. I suggest looking in the
> Mix Magazine
> indices to see if they have done an article on the early
> Doors albums.
> I bet they have.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Just listened to my Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs version of
Disrali Gears. It has the fine Tom Dowd mono mixdowns AND
the --gee wiz Mr. Wizard, lets try it in STEEREO DUDE version.
The Mono mixes are great. The STEEREO sound like the ones
described above. Ginger Bakers kit is in the right speaker
only.

Believe it or not all the LP's sold in America were the
STEREEO ones. Go figure.

Peace



From: Paul Stamler on 24 Apr 2008 18:13
"Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message
news:fuqp4i$ed4$1(a)panix2.panix.com...
> >Just recently kicked up my Doors discography to my PC, and yeah-it's
been
> >years since I listened to them. Something interesting though, all the
drums
> >are hard-panned left, one of the guitars is there too, and the right
channel
> >essentially has the lead and most of the organ stuff. What the hell is
the
> >theory behind this? Just trying to make Morrison's voice pop more? In
> >earphones it kinda wears my left ear out-there's death metal that doesn't
> >kill my ears like that, lol. Obviously headphones weren't thought about
> >then and that's a good reason that the mix is done like that, as stereo
> >would still have been (relatively) new then and most studios were
probably
> >just milking the new thing for all it was worth. Any knowledge, ideas?
Oh,
> >this is on their first album "The Doors."
>
> Could well have been done on a console without any pans, just a switch for
> left/center/right.

Probably the case, but there also was the idea that if people were going to
pay an extra dollar for the stereo disc, they should get their money's worth
with stereo that was ~STEREO~.

Personally, I always *liked* the way that album sounded on headphones.

> Could also have been individual tracks that were never intended for stereo
> release, but were intended for mixdown to mono. This is what happened to
> the Beatles... someone at EMI got the idea they could take the multitracks
> which had fairly arbitrary layouts and issue them as stereo.

Probably not in this case; this album was produced for Elektra, and they
didn't do that. Jac Holtzman liked stereo, and liked to use it.

> Could have been deliberate or not. I suggest looking in the Mix Magazine
> indices to see if they have done an article on the early Doors albums.
> I bet they have.

Me too. Oh, I'm told that an Ampex MR70 was involved in that album, but
whether it was the tracking machine (4-track) or the master (2-track) I
couldn't tell you.

Peace,
Paul


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