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From: Ian Lynch on 23 Apr 2008 05:12 On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 12:51 -0700, Stephen Johnson wrote: > I came across an article that discussed Microsoft SaaS (Software as a > Service) and read some comments about the article. At least one person who > commented mentioned OpenOffice.org and I thought I would have a look. > > The OpenOffice.org website looks professional, however I did find one > typographical error on page http://why.openoffice.org/why_sme.html. Under > the column heading "The no-hassle answer" is the following sentence that > contains the typo, "Behind the scenes, it stores all your valuable data in a > format approved by the International Organization for Standarisation - the > first software package in the world to meet this exacting standard." > Standarisation should, of course, be "Standardization" (I Googled the > International Organization for Standardization to ensure I had the correct > spelling). Depends on whether you think US or UK English. Here, standardisation is correct in UK English. We had a bit of a discussion about standardisation of spelling to consistent use of US English just recently. Given the wide range of languages involved in OOo there didn't appear to be any consensus so I guess it will not get changed. > Also, when going from the home page (http://www.openoffice.org/) to the page > http://why.openoffice.org/ I got the following Windows Explorer error > message "Your browser cannot display this site correctly - please ask your > vendor for an upgrade". However, when I exit from that error box, I get to > the correct page and things look fine. Internet explorer does not necessarily support all W3C web standards. (particularly v6 and earlier since things have changed since they were last updated) I'm assuming the site is validated against these standards so quirks of Internet Explorer are likely to be specific to IE. You can download the latest version of Firefox for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ This browser will stick to open standards and all updates are free and regular. IE6 was never updated for several years. > I hope the above helps. Likewise Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: "mike scott" on 23 Apr 2008 06:39 On 23 Apr 2008 at 10:11, Ian Lynch wrote: .... > Depends on whether you think US or UK English. Here, standardisation is > correct in UK English. We had a bit of a discussion about > standardisation of spelling to consistent use of US English just > recently. Given the wide range of languages involved in OOo there didn't > appear to be any consensus so I guess it will not get changed. This came up recently (here?). -ize is generally the better UK spelling. In particular, the New OED lists standardize as the primary spelling, with -ise as an alternative. Fowler's Modern English Usage says: "In the vast majority of the verbs that end in -ize or -ise and are pronounced [with a long i], the ultimate source of the ending is the Greek -izo, whether the particular verb was an actual Greek one or a Latin or French or English imitation...." It goes on to list a few exceptions where the ending does not come from the Greek (eg advise, advertise). "Most English printers," it states, "follow the French practice of changing -ize to -ise," but continues that OUP, CUP and American usage (!!) carry authority enough to outweigh superior numbers. So let's standardize on the better spelling please :-) -- Permission for this mail to be processed by any third party in connection with marketing or advertising purposes is hereby explicitly denied. http://www.scottsonline.org.uk lists incoming sites blocked because of spam mike(a)scottsonline.org.uk Mike Scott, Harlow, Essex, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Ian Lynch on 23 Apr 2008 06:55 On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 11:38 +0100, mike scott wrote: > On 23 Apr 2008 at 10:11, Ian Lynch wrote: > ... > > Depends on whether you think US or UK English. Here, standardisation is > > correct in UK English. We had a bit of a discussion about > > standardisation of spelling to consistent use of US English just > > recently. Given the wide range of languages involved in OOo there didn't > > appear to be any consensus so I guess it will not get changed. > > This came up recently (here?). > > -ize is generally the better UK spelling. In particular, the New OED > lists standardize as the primary spelling, with -ise as an > alternative. > > Fowler's Modern English Usage says: > "In the vast majority of the verbs that end in -ize or -ise and are > pronounced [with a long i], I rarely see recognise spelt recognize here. eg BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4086319.stm > the ultimate source of the ending is the > Greek -izo, whether the particular verb was an actual Greek one or a > Latin or French or English imitation...." It goes on to list a few > exceptions where the ending does not come from the Greek (eg advise, > advertise). "Most English printers," it states, "follow the French > practice of changing -ize to -ise," but continues that OUP, CUP and > American usage (!!) carry authority enough to outweigh superior > numbers. > > So let's standardize on the better spelling please :-) Better or more common :-) There are that many exceptions and irregularities in English, personally I can't get too worked up about it and it takes resources away from other more important things. Ian -- New QCA Accredited IT Qualifications www.theINGOTs.org You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: Michael Adams on 23 Apr 2008 07:27 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:38:48 +0100 mike scott wrote: > On 23 Apr 2008 at 10:11, Ian Lynch wrote: > ... > > Depends on whether you think US or UK English. Here, standardisation > > is correct in UK English. We had a bit of a discussion about > > standardisation of spelling to consistent use of US English just > > recently. Given the wide range of languages involved in OOo there > > didn't appear to be any consensus so I guess it will not get > > changed. > > This came up recently (here?). > > -ize is generally the better UK spelling. In particular, the New OED > lists standardize as the primary spelling, with -ise as an > alternative. > > Fowler's Modern English Usage says: > "In the vast majority of the verbs that end in -ize or -ise and are > pronounced [with a long i], the ultimate source of the ending is the > Greek -izo, whether the particular verb was an actual Greek one or a > Latin or French or English imitation...." It goes on to list a few > exceptions where the ending does not come from the Greek (eg advise, > advertise). "Most English printers," it states, "follow the French > practice of changing -ize to -ise," but continues that OUP, CUP and > American usage (!!) carry authority enough to outweigh superior > numbers. > > So let's standardize on the better spelling please :-) > Frikking dik-shinereez (dikz) tryin to enfors theer spelin on tha rest ov us. Reed Chaucer and understand that English is a livin breethin langwidg stultified by dikz and tha akademikz tryin to relaet it awl back to some frikkin otha Uropeein langwidg. No normle bloke givz a toss if its 'ise or 'ice or 'ize. I rekkin it shoud awl be phonetic, just as us jenue-ien Kiwis speek it mate. Heer we don't heer a lot ov your frikkin vowelz anywayz, prolly due the the ingrown heer in our eerz. Besiedz evin the academikz dispuet the point basd on wich dik u pik up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise.2C_-ize If itz that importint to u go and spend yoor tiem lernin Loglan or Klingon or latin or sumthin, stead ov raggin on tha rest ov us. Besiedz that weel awl be lernin SMS now itz allowd in the egzamz. -- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
From: "Bob Long" on 23 Apr 2008 22:57 [CC'd to user] "Stephen Johnson" wrote: > The OpenOffice.org website looks professional, however I did find one > typographical error on page http://why.openoffice.org/why_sme.html. Under > the column heading "The no-hassle answer" is the following sentence that > contains the typo, "Behind the scenes, it stores all your valuable data in > a > format approved by the International Organization for Standarisation - the > first software package in the world to meet this exacting standard." > Standarisation should, of course, be "Standardization" (I Googled the > International Organization for Standardization to ensure I had the correct > spelling). Others seem to have missed that the problem is not just "s" or "z". That is, the word on the site is: Standarisation - it should be either: Standardisation - note the "d", or Standardization - if we go for "z". -- Bob Long P.S. You have written to a mailing list where help is provided by volunteers. To ensure you see all replies, it is recommended that you subscribe to the mailing list. Please reply only to the mailing list at discuss(a)openoffice.org and not to me personally. FAQ, userguide, etc: http://documentation.openoffice.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscribe(a)openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-help(a)openoffice.org
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