UK Petition re chipped cartridges.
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From: IanR on 14 Apr 2008 09:21 Just thought UK citizens who've been fleeced (or even those who like me are sticking to old and trusted printers for fear of caught-out by the chipping racket) might like to sign this petition: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/chippedcarts The idea here is to look into whether the Government would be prepared to ban the import of printers that depend on 'chipped' ink or toner. For simplicity the title says ban chipped carts, but in reality it might be better to ban any new models of such printers. If the ban were to be literally on cartridges having chips, then there would of course need to be a dispensation for the replacement market, the ban applying to cartridge designs introduced after a set date. Still, up to the politicians to sort that one out! With hindsight (wonderful thing!) I've realised that it might have been better to make this more general in scope, to make illegal any form of 'timebombing' or 'engineering-to-fail' of consumer goods. Still, that aspect could be raised if the petition gets accepted. Anyway, signatures welcome. ;-)
From: Stick Stickus on 15 Apr 2008 02:15 "IanR" <ian(a)ir.company.unitedkingdom> wrote in message news:480353ea.25371688(a)news.plus.net... > Just thought UK citizens who've been fleeced (or even those who like > me are sticking to old and trusted printers for fear of caught-out by > the chipping racket) might like to sign this petition: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/chippedcarts > > The idea here is to look into whether the Government would be prepared > to ban the import of printers that depend on 'chipped' ink or toner. > > For simplicity the title says ban chipped carts, but in reality it > might be better to ban any new models of such printers. > > If the ban were to be literally on cartridges having chips, then there > would of course need to be a dispensation for the replacement market, > the ban applying to cartridge designs introduced after a set date. > Still, up to the politicians to sort that one out! > > With hindsight (wonderful thing!) I've realised that it might have > been better to make this more general in scope, to make illegal any > form of 'timebombing' or 'engineering-to-fail' of consumer goods. > Still, that aspect could be raised if the petition gets accepted. > > Anyway, signatures welcome. ;-) > As far as I am aware there are no chipped cartridges available in the UK that cannot be reset. There are certain cartridges that I understand cannot be refilled due to either the internal design, i.e. Epson T0711 -714 & T0801 - T0806 and also some cartridges designed to fail (a resister is burnt out when used), i.e. certain Lexmark cartridges inc 24, 24a, 28, 28a etc, there are other Lexmark cartridges that can be used instead of these. HP also produce time expiring cartridges but these again have chips that can be replace or be used without the chip in use. The most popular printers with chips at the moment in the UK would be the latest Canon's but the chips on these can be reset or the printer can be used with the chip function disabled. If your petition was aimed at those who manafacture cartridges where you cannot get full ink usage (Epson), or those who make cartridges so that they are non re-usable (i.e. Lexmark and Epson) which is a clear breach of the WEEE directive then that would be a petition I could support, but not as it stands. Stick (UK)
From: Roy G on 15 Apr 2008 09:38 "IanR" <ian(a)ir.company.unitedkingdom> wrote in message news:480353ea.25371688(a)news.plus.net... > Just thought UK citizens who've been fleeced (or even those who like > me are sticking to old and trusted printers for fear of caught-out by > the chipping racket) might like to sign this petition: > > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/chippedcarts > > The idea here is to look into whether the Government would be prepared > to ban the import of printers that depend on 'chipped' ink or toner. > > For simplicity the title says ban chipped carts, but in reality it > might be better to ban any new models of such printers. > > If the ban were to be literally on cartridges having chips, then there > would of course need to be a dispensation for the replacement market, > the ban applying to cartridge designs introduced after a set date. > Still, up to the politicians to sort that one out! > > With hindsight (wonderful thing!) I've realised that it might have > been better to make this more general in scope, to make illegal any > form of 'timebombing' or 'engineering-to-fail' of consumer goods. > Still, that aspect could be raised if the petition gets accepted. > > Anyway, signatures welcome. ;-) Hi. I think your petition is flawed, but I do agree with the principle that if I purchase a Printer, I should be free to use any Ink or Paper I choose. Indeed, as a non lawyer, my understanding of Contract Law is that Conditions cannot be altered after the Contract is entered into, wihout the agreement of both parties. Any Conditions of Use or Restriction Notice which are inside the box, can only be read after the purchase has been made and after the Contract is made, so are not part of the Contract. Since they sell their Printers in sealed boxes, without any "Warning Notices" on the outside, and the Retailers don't advise on any conditions or restrictions regarding the use of those Printers, then I am legally entitled to use whatever Paper or Ink I choose. I would suspect that any inbuilt harware system which interfered with my choice of consumables, would already be a breach of contract. Perhaps we should be trying to get the EEC Trading Standards people to fine the Makers for this illegal activity, which interfers with my Contractual right to choose. Or to make it illegal to sell any Printer which will only accept OEM Cartidges. However it is up to the third party Ink Vendors to ensure that their Ink Carts do not contravene Epsons Patents, and that is just a matter of some original thinking on the part of their designers. Roy G
From: measekite on 15 Apr 2008 10:52 <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> Roy G wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:Bd2Nj.43130$Ff4.18260(a)newsfe5-win.ntli.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">"IanR" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ian(a)ir.company.unitedkingdom"><ian(a)ir.company.unitedkingdom></a> wrote in message <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:480353ea.25371688(a)news.plus.net">news:480353ea.25371688(a)news.plus.net</a>... </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Just thought UK citizens who've been fleeced (or even those who like me are sticking to old and trusted printers for fear of caught-out by the chipping racket) might like to sign this petition: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/chippedcarts">http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/chippedcarts</a> The idea here is to look into whether the Government would be prepared to ban the import of printers that depend on 'chipped' ink or toner. For simplicity the title says ban chipped carts, but in reality it might be better to ban any new models of such printers. If the ban were to be literally on cartridges having chips, then there would of course need to be a dispensation for the replacement market, the ban applying to cartridge designs introduced after a set date. Still, up to the politicians to sort that one out! With hindsight (wonderful thing!) I've realised that it might have been better to make this more general in scope, to make illegal any form of 'timebombing' or 'engineering-to-fail' of consumer goods. Still, that aspect could be raised if the petition gets accepted. Anyway, signatures welcome. ;-) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Hi. I think your petition is flawed, but I do agree with the principle that if I purchase a Printer, I should be free to use any Ink or Paper I choose. Indeed, as a non lawyer, my understanding of Contract Law is that Conditions cannot be altered after the Contract is entered into, wihout the agreement of both parties. Any Conditions of Use or Restriction Notice which are inside the box, can only be read after the purchase has been made and after the Contract is made, so are not part of the Contract. Since they sell their Printers in sealed boxes, without any "Warning Notices" on the outside, and the Retailers don't advise on any conditions or restrictions regarding the use of those Printers, then I am legally entitled to use whatever Paper or Ink I choose. I would suspect that any inbuilt harware system which interfered with my choice of consumables, would already be a breach of contract. Perhaps we should be trying to get the EEC Trading Standards people to fine the Makers for this illegal activity, which interfers with my Contractual right to choose. Or to make it illegal to sell any Printer which will only accept OEM Cartidges. However it is up to the third party Ink Vendors to ensure that their Ink Carts do not contravene Epsons Patents, and that is just a matter of some original thinking on the part of their designers. </pre> </blockquote> They do not have original anything.<br> <blockquote cite="mid:Bd2Nj.43130$Ff4.18260(a)newsfe5-win.ntli.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Roy G </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>
From: Frank on 15 Apr 2008 11:57
measekite wrote: >> > They do not have original anything. > ---------------------------------------- You've never had an original thought in your entire pathetic little life...LOL! Frank |