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From: William on 4 May 2008 18:31 "Ron Krebs" <rkrebs11(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:5YoTj.638$JF1.370(a)trndny06... > > "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message > news:2OSdnTG-jvE7lIPVnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... >> >> "Ron Krebs" <rkrebs11(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:5bkTj.2600$Eh7.467(a)trndny01... >>> >>> "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message >>> news:ns-dnV9_VPcaYIHVnZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... <snip> ` >>> I'm just wondering. Why go with the E6850 when for a few bucks more >>> ($199 vs $185), you could have gone with the E8400 Wolfdale. You get a >>> much cooler running cpu with the 45nm core, a higher stock speed of >>> 3.0GHz, and a 6MB L2 cache. The Wolfdale is by far and away a better >>> OC'ing proc than the E6850. And the new ASUS BIOS for the P5WDH does >>> accommodate the new 45nm architecture. Doesn't make sense. >>> >>> Ron >>> >> >> After reviewing the reviews on Newegg, many people came to the same >> conclusion as I did. I can go with an E6850 and have it in my hands in 3 >> days, or I can go with the E8400 and wait a few weeks (hopefully) for the >> back-orders to be filled. >> > > What are you talking about? The 8400 IS in stock and has been for the > last few weeks. Check the site again. Did you order this IC? Did you get it on time? Do you have first hand experience ordering anything that is out of stock with NewEgg? I do. When I ordered this IC it was well known and documented that the E8400 was in short supply and unknown when it would be shipped. All you have are words - no experience. End of story. You are offering nothing helpful here. Why do you comment? William BTW the E6850 and E8400 have the same stock speed.
From: RobV on 4 May 2008 23:10 Ron Krebs wrote: > "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message > news:2OSdnTG-jvE7lIPVnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... >> >> "Ron Krebs" <rkrebs11(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:5bkTj.2600$Eh7.467(a)trndny01... >>> >>> "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message >>> news:ns-dnV9_VPcaYIHVnZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... >>>> As you all know the prices on Intel's cpu's had a large price cut >>>> last month. So I waited for NewEgg to offer a good sail on the >>>> CPU I wanted to get when I first put this system together but >>>> couldn't afford it at the time. >>>> >>>> I decided to take the old E6600 out and put the new E6850 in and >>>> see what would happen. All went quite well, better than expected. >>>> The only thing I noticed is that I got a "Intel CPU uCode loading >>>> error" when I booted the computer. All seemed to run well, and I >>>> was pleased. I logged onto ASUS's web site for the mobo and looked >>>> up the error >>>> code and found out that I had to update my bios to a newer version >>>> than I had running. I was running 1901, and I needed at least 2103 >>>> for this cpu. I had 2602 on hand and ran AsusUpdate and installed >>>> 2602. The computer booted up without the error message, but it took >>>> a >>>> long time and booted up at 2.4 GHz, and my ram was running at 266 >>>> mhz. After two more boots, I realized that the resetting of bios >>>> lost my ram voltage setting for the 4 gig of Crucial Ballistix ram >>>> that was in the system. I set the ram voltage to 2.0 volts, (it's >>>> rated for 2.2v) and it booted OK. >>>> >>>> The CPU is running at 3001.4 MHz, the FSB is at 1334.0 Mhz, and >>>> the ram is at 416.8 Mhz, (or 834 Mhz DDR2). I've read that the >>>> P5W DH uses the 975x/ICH7R chip set which is rated at 1066 FSB and >>>> ddr2-800 max, so it's getting a good workout at these frequencies. >>>> >>>> Now I am wondering if I can get anymore out of this mobo. I would >>>> love to go another 5 or 10 % overclock on the CPU. I wonder if >>>> the P5W can take the beating. >>>> >>>> William >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I'm just wondering. Why go with the E6850 when for a few bucks more >>> ($199 vs $185), you could have gone with the E8400 Wolfdale. You >>> get a much cooler running cpu with the 45nm core, a higher stock >>> speed of 3.0GHz, and a 6MB L2 cache. The Wolfdale is by far and >>> away a >>> better OC'ing proc than the E6850. And the new ASUS BIOS for the >>> P5WDH does accommodate the new 45nm architecture. Doesn't make >>> sense. Ron >>> >> >> After reviewing the reviews on Newegg, many people came to the same >> conclusion as I did. I can go with an E6850 and have it in my hands >> in 3 days, or I can go with the E8400 and wait a few weeks >> (hopefully) for the back-orders to be filled. >> > > What are you talking about? The 8400 IS in stock and has been for > the last few weeks. Check the site again. It's worse than that. I have a E6600 in a Asus P5B-Plus MB that is easily running at the same FSB and speed as the E6850. He could have easily just overclocked the E6600 and had the exact same speed; CPU, FSB and memory, as with the E6850.
From: William on 5 May 2008 03:11 "RobV" <robv(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:481e7aa4$0$30197$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > Ron Krebs wrote: >> "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message >> news:2OSdnTG-jvE7lIPVnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... >>> >>> "Ron Krebs" <rkrebs11(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:5bkTj.2600$Eh7.467(a)trndny01... >>>> >>>> "William" <nospam(a)pacifier.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ns-dnV9_VPcaYIHVnZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d(a)palinacquisition... <snip> > It's worse than that. I have a E6600 in a Asus P5B-Plus MB that is easily > running at the same FSB and speed as the E6850. He could have easily just > overclocked the E6600 and had the exact same speed; CPU, FSB and memory, > as with the E6850. > "Easily", I call BS. If you are running that E6600 at 3 gig, you have an after market cooler running on it or you are frying that mobo and everything around it, including the north and south bridges, have the cpu voltage up as well as the n and s bridges and ram. You do know why Intel rates their processors at different speeds don't you? We don't even have the same mobo's. You are comparing apples to oranges and you know it. All this stuff has been discussed on ASUS' web site for this mobo and nothing you have said is new to me. You young boys need to move along and stop trying to sound so special. Tell me something I don't know, that would be refreshing.
From: stray77 on 5 May 2008 07:25 > <snip> > > "Easily", I call BS. > > If you are running that E6600 at 3 gig, you have an after market cooler > running on it or you are frying that mobo and everything around it, > including the north and south bridges, have the cpu voltage up as well as > the n and s bridges and ram. You do know why Intel rates their processors at > different speeds don't you? > > We don't even have the same mobo's. You are comparing apples to oranges and > you know it. All this stuff has been discussed on ASUS' web site for this > mobo and nothing you have said is new to me. You young boys need to move > along and stop trying to sound so special. Tell me something I don't know, > that would be refreshing. locked multiplier x front side bus = CPU frequency 9 x 266MHz = 2394 MHz (stock speed) 9 x 333MHz = 2997 Mhz(easily reachable speed with DDR 667, running at 333MHz and CPU to RAM ratio of 1:1) 9 x 400Mhz = 3600 Mhz (likely under basic air cooling with DDR 800, running at 400MHz and CPU to RAM ratio of 1:1) If you have a good case with proper cooling, all of the above are achievable and stable with the stock intel core 2 duo E6600 cpu heatsink and fan and the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe. It is only 'easy' if you know what you're doing. Personally I run my system at 3ghz and have since the day I bought it over two years ago. If I go to 3.6ghz, I can hear the cpu fan so I stuck with 3ghz but it ran for days at 3.6ghz. I do have 4GB of Kingston DDR2-800 ram. So, as for williams original post, I'd have just overclocked for now. As for the comment quoted above? I'd just disregard it. A picture is worth a thousand words. -> http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5083/e6600overclockcc7.jpg
From: William on 5 May 2008 14:55
"stray77" <stray77(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:6826be29-852b-4990-a156-0055a983c2c2(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > <snip> > > "Easily", I call BS. > > If you are running that E6600 at 3 gig, you have an after market cooler > running on it or you are frying that mobo and everything around it, > including the north and south bridges, have the cpu voltage up as well as > the n and s bridges and ram. You do know why Intel rates their processors > at > different speeds don't you? > > We don't even have the same mobo's. You are comparing apples to oranges > and > you know it. All this stuff has been discussed on ASUS' web site for this > mobo and nothing you have said is new to me. You young boys need to move > along and stop trying to sound so special. Tell me something I don't know, > that would be refreshing. locked multiplier x front side bus = CPU frequency 9 x 266MHz = 2394 MHz (stock speed) 9 x 333MHz = 2997 Mhz(easily reachable speed with DDR 667, running at 333MHz and CPU to RAM ratio of 1:1) 9 x 400Mhz = 3600 Mhz (likely under basic air cooling with DDR 800, running at 400MHz and CPU to RAM ratio of 1:1) If you have a good case with proper cooling, all of the above are achievable and stable with the stock intel core 2 duo E6600 cpu heatsink and fan and the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe. It is only 'easy' if you know what you're doing. Personally I run my system at 3ghz and have since the day I bought it over two years ago. If I go to 3.6ghz, I can hear the cpu fan so I stuck with 3ghz but it ran for days at 3.6ghz. I do have 4GB of Kingston DDR2-800 ram. So, as for williams original post, I'd have just overclocked for now. As for the comment quoted above? I'd just disregard it. A picture is worth a thousand words. -> http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5083/e6600overclockcc7.jpg Stray77: That word "easy" is quite subjective. And it all depends on what is 'normal' for oneself. Your OC description proves my point. Did you pull the covers off of the North and South bridges? That helps allot in keeping them cooler. That's allot of heat coming off of the CPU, RAM, North and South Bridges, GPU, and add-in boards. I bet it keeps you warm in the winter being in the same room with that setup. Do you have your GPU vented out the back, or into the inside of the case? Mine throws it out the back. I wouldn't run that system of yours without more heat removal on that CPU. Not a good idea. I'm running my system in an Antec Sonata, super quiet system. Heat is a big destroyer of computer systems. Even the hard drives run hot now days. I sure hope you are taking care of the internal temperature on your system. Better have lots of air moving inside of your case. William Amazing where this thread has gone. |