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From: Sue Morton on 14 Apr 2008 11:59 LOL Just a lowly church musician... with a lot to do! -- Sue Morton Organfreak wrote: > "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> blatted: >> My $0.02 USD equals those of Ricky and Gerry. I don't run it it >> "auto" mode but use it to hand-correct some pitches and occasionally >> formants and sibilance. I think it does a GREAT job if you use your >> ears just as the guys tell you :-) >> >> I have a recording where the pitch is accurate by the singer, but the >> *intonation* was really poor so it sounds flat. V-Vocal even helped >> with that, I was able to change the format and bring the pitch up >> slightly sharp, and that corrected the *perception* that the pitch >> was flat. > > <hijack> > > This seems as good a time as any for me to ask something I've been > wanting to know for some time now: it sounds as if you are a pro, or > have a job doing audio. Could you tell me what it is you do with > Sonar? Sorry if this is old news for everybody else. > > </hijack>
From: Baseman on 15 Apr 2008 05:29 Organfreak schrieb: > Anybody using it? How do we like it? Sorry if there's already a thread on that. > > At first I was daunted by its complexity, but now I'm having a field day with > it, fixing up these Dan vocals. (Don't think I'll mention it to him.) It's still > damned complicated. > If you worked a little bit with it, it's a very helpful prog, and I'll never want to miss it. I worked with Autotune, but the much better is V-Vocal. to correct pitch the best is to correct by hand, you only need an hour or so for one piece but much better than the automatic correction. What I don't know, is how to move a little part of voice....?? You drop lines, but if you move the line between two lines, the stuff is getting longer or shorter. With CTRL you're pushing the whole rest of the voice, I don't want that. Does anybody give me any Idea how to work it out? OK, for sure I can move and correct timing problems before changin the Track to V-Vocal....but what if you forgot some? Thanks;) Baseman.
From: Rick Paul on 16 Apr 2008 02:18 "Baseman" <hh(a)Heinz-Hupfer.de> wrote in message news:66jaslF2klc9nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > What I don't know, is how to move a little part of voice....?? > You drop lines, but if you move the line between two lines, the stuff is > getting longer or shorter. With CTRL you're pushing the whole rest of the > voice, I don't want that. > > Does anybody give me any Idea how to work it out? OK, for sure I can move > and correct timing problems before changin the Track to V-Vocal....but > what if you forgot some? Are you talking about the timing correction mode? If so, and if I'm understanding the rest of your question correctly, the way to go is put up some "end posts" to protect the parts you want to keep constant in their timing while isolating the parts you want to change. Then only change stuff between the "end posts". For example, if I'm tweaking timing on an entire verse of a song, my first pass in timing mode is generally to go in and put time markers (or whatever they're called) in between each of the vocal phrases within the verse (i.e. between vocal lines). Then I go to each phrase and make any timing adjustments within that using additional lines. Even within those, though, if I need to fix some of the timing to original positions, I'll put up some more fixed timing markers (i.e. "fixed" by virtue of your not moving them to adjust timing)) at strategic locations within the phrase that are hitting where you want them to hit, only adding the timing markers that will be shifted between fixed positions after those fixed positions are set up, so only stuff in between the fixed positions changes. The result is the fixed position markers, which need to be in place before any markers whose timing you're shifting, protects the timing of the parts you want to preserve as is, and the shifting ones only shift stuff between fixed markers. Rick -- ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: www.RickPaul.info MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic =======================================
From: Baseman on 16 Apr 2008 04:47 Rick Paul schrieb: > Are you talking about the timing correction mode? If so, and if I'm > understanding the rest of your question correctly, the way to go is put up > some "end posts" to protect the parts you want to keep constant in their > timing while isolating the parts you want to change. Then only change > stuff between the "end posts". For sure, I know how to set end posts:) This is not the problem! > more fixed timing markers (i.e. "fixed" by virtue of your not moving them to > adjust timing)) at strategic locations within the phrase that are hitting Fixing the post is not possible. > where you want them to hit, only adding the timing markers that will be > shifted between fixed positions after those fixed positions are set up, so > only stuff in between the fixed positions changes. > The result is the fixed position markers, which need to be in place before > any markers whose timing you're shifting, protects the timing of the parts > you want to preserve as is, and the shifting ones only shift stuff between > fixed markers. But you can only lengthen or shorten the material, you cannot move a piece of voice as it is a few f.e. milliseconds to the left or right. With CTRL and 1 post you're shortening the whole rest of the song. If it is possible, it isn't written in the manual, and to shorten one piece at the left end and lenghten it at the right end again can't be the correct way to move something;) Greetings:) Baseman. > Rick >
From: Baseman on 16 Apr 2008 05:01
Rick Paul schrieb: > "Baseman" <hh(a)Heinz-Hupfer.de> wrote in message > news:66jaslF2klc9nU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> What I don't know, is how to move a little part of voice....?? >> You drop lines, but if you move the line between two lines, the stuff is >> getting longer or shorter. With CTRL you're pushing the whole rest of the >> voice, I don't want that. >> >> Does anybody give me any Idea how to work it out? OK, for sure I can move >> and correct timing problems before changin the Track to V-Vocal....but >> what if you forgot some? > > Are you talking about the timing correction mode? If so, and if I'm > understanding the rest of your question correctly, the way to go is put up > some "end posts" to protect the parts you want to keep constant in their > timing while isolating the parts you want to change. Then only change > stuff between the "end posts". > > For example, if I'm tweaking timing on an entire verse of a song, my first > pass in timing mode is generally to go in and put time markers (or whatever > they're called) in between each of the vocal phrases within the verse (i.e. > between vocal lines). Then I go to each phrase and make any timing > adjustments within that using additional lines. Even within those, though, > if I need to fix some of the timing to original positions, I'll put up some > more fixed timing markers (i.e. "fixed" by virtue of your not moving them to > adjust timing)) at strategic locations within the phrase that are hitting > where you want them to hit, only adding the timing markers that will be > shifted between fixed positions after those fixed positions are set up, so > only stuff in between the fixed positions changes. > > The result is the fixed position markers, which need to be in place before > any markers whose timing you're shifting, protects the timing of the parts > you want to preserve as is, and the shifting ones only shift stuff between > fixed markers. > > Rick > Hi Rick again:) A little fault of mine, with CTRL you "move" the whole rest of the song, it isn't shortened, sorry! With knowing that it's possible to move some small pieces, if you move to the right, again you have to move the rest to the left. Much easier without V-Vocal, don't you think so? Baseman. |