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From: Rick Paul on 16 Apr 2008 19:39 As I suggested in my original response, I wasn't really sure I understood your question, and I think your responses to my response proved that. ;-) You are correct that, if you're just talking about moving bits of audio around, it is much easier to do that by just moving clips around at the SONAR level. What I was talking about was shifting timing within a phrase once you have the phrases aligned as best you can in SONAR, and where you don't want to cut the phrase up into smaller bits (e.g. because you would get awkward breaks at places where there really isn't a break to be found). V-Vocal's timing mode is really about compressing or expanding the time a part takes, which can also move parts of it around in time. But it is doing that by expanding one part of the audio and compressing the other part, with which part gets expanded or compressed depending on which direction you go in moving a given marker. My mention of the fixed end points was simply meant to avoid shifting pieces of audio before the first fixed point and after the last fixed point. So, for example, if you have the beginning and end of a phrase timing out right, those don't move, but you only move the misaligned parts in between that were due to mismatched rhythms (or whatever you are trying to correct). I definitely agree with doing any flat out time shifting outside of V-Vocal, though. Rick -- ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: www.RickPaul.info MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic ======================================= "Baseman" <hh(a)Heinz-Hupfer.de> wrote in message news:66ltk2F2la707U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Rick Paul schrieb: >> "Baseman" <hh(a)Heinz-Hupfer.de> wrote in message >> news:66jaslF2klc9nU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> What I don't know, is how to move a little part of voice....?? >>> You drop lines, but if you move the line between two lines, the stuff is >>> getting longer or shorter. With CTRL you're pushing the whole rest of >>> the voice, I don't want that. >>> >>> Does anybody give me any Idea how to work it out? OK, for sure I can >>> move and correct timing problems before changin the Track to >>> V-Vocal....but what if you forgot some? >> >> Are you talking about the timing correction mode? If so, and if I'm >> understanding the rest of your question correctly, the way to go is put >> up some "end posts" to protect the parts you want to keep constant in >> their timing while isolating the parts you want to change. Then only >> change stuff between the "end posts". >> >> For example, if I'm tweaking timing on an entire verse of a song, my >> first pass in timing mode is generally to go in and put time markers (or >> whatever they're called) in between each of the vocal phrases within the >> verse (i.e. between vocal lines). Then I go to each phrase and make any >> timing adjustments within that using additional lines. Even within >> those, though, if I need to fix some of the timing to original positions, >> I'll put up some more fixed timing markers (i.e. "fixed" by virtue of >> your not moving them to adjust timing)) at strategic locations within the >> phrase that are hitting where you want them to hit, only adding the >> timing markers that will be shifted between fixed positions after those >> fixed positions are set up, so only stuff in between the fixed positions >> changes. >> >> The result is the fixed position markers, which need to be in place >> before any markers whose timing you're shifting, protects the timing of >> the parts you want to preserve as is, and the shifting ones only shift >> stuff between fixed markers. >> >> Rick >> > > Hi Rick again:) > > A little fault of mine, with CTRL you "move" the whole rest of the song, > it isn't shortened, sorry! > With knowing that it's possible to move some small pieces, if you move to > the right, again you have to move the rest to the left. > Much easier without V-Vocal, don't you think so? > > Baseman.
From: Ricky Hunt on 17 Apr 2008 03:24 "Rick Paul" <rickpaul(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ctCdndmLVuMjEJvVnZ2dnUVZ_tyknZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > I definitely agree with doing any flat out time shifting outside of > V-Vocal, though. The main thing is to have a plan beforehand: where are you going to do what. But V-Vocals timeshifting can do things Sonar cannot (at least not as easy). Such as changing phrasing of words, phrases, etc. Since I've gotten Melodyne (and once I get around to learning to use it) I doubt I'll use V-Vocal much anymore. But it's a helpful tool to have and can work fairly unobtrusively if you work with it.
From: Baseman on 17 Apr 2008 06:01
Rick Paul schrieb: > As I suggested in my original response, I wasn't really sure I understood > your question, and I think your responses to my response proved that. ;-) > I am from Germany and surely not talking the best English......so I'm happy that you understood a bit of my problem:) > V-Vocal's timing mode is really about compressing or expanding the time a > part takes, which can also move parts of it around in time. But it is doing > that by expanding one part of the audio and compressing the other part, with > which part gets expanded or compressed depending on which direction you go > in moving a given marker. My mention of the fixed end points was simply > meant to avoid shifting pieces of audio before the first fixed point and > after the last fixed point. So, for example, if you have the beginning and > end of a phrase timing out right, those don't move, but you only move the > misaligned parts in between that were due to mismatched rhythms (or whatever > you are trying to correct). > > I definitely agree with doing any flat out time shifting outside of V-Vocal, > though. Thank you very much for answering!! Greetings;) Heinz. > > Rick > |