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From: Gerry Peters on 13 Apr 2008 14:37 I love V-Vocal, it's one of the best features added. I was using auto-tune for years, but like V-Vocal far better. The main thing about any of these tools is to use your ears. Many times I disagree with the way it tunes and make ajustments manually. Just take about an hour to read the help file, study it, and then experiment. I almost never mess with formant or the other parameter. I leave it on pitch. One thing to look out for is any unatural phasing happening mostly on S's. When that happens just use the eraser tool to erase V-vocal on that spot. I only use it on small phrases and after I use it I quickly bounce to clip and delete the extra muted waveform. This is done, because in the past there were quirks witrh V-Vocal, especially using copy and paste with it. I continue to bounce because I don't like doing any other type of editing in the V-Vocal screeen only pitch correction, its a little clumsy for other stuff. So before you do anything save your file to a new name, so you can revert. Gerry Peters On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:59:49 -0700, Organfreak <plonk(a)plinkety.plunk> wrote: > >Anybody using it? How do we like it? Sorry if there's already a thread on that. > >At first I was daunted by its complexity, but now I'm having a field day with >it, fixing up these Dan vocals. (Don't think I'll mention it to him.) It's still >damned complicated.
From: Ricky Hunt on 13 Apr 2008 15:14 "Gerry Peters" <GerryPeters(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:trj404ps6f8dlbkavlod2u9vb4cp2jadjr(a)4ax.com... >I love V-Vocal, it's one of the best features added. I was using > auto-tune for years, but like V-Vocal far better. The main thing about > any of these tools is to use your ears. Many times I disagree with the > way it tunes and make ajustments manually. I agree. > > Just take about an hour to read the help file, study it, and then > experiment. I almost never mess with formant or the other parameter. I > leave it on pitch. One thing to look out for is any unatural phasing > happening mostly on S's. When that happens just use the eraser tool to > erase V-vocal on that spot. Yes. Watch out for the phase sound. It's almost become common on vocals but I don't like it. > > I only use it on small phrases and after I use it I quickly bounce to > clip and delete the extra muted waveform. This is done, because in the > past there were quirks witrh V-Vocal, especially using copy and paste > with it. > I've had projects screwed up by it too (but hasn't happened after the updates). But I always have a "non V-Vocal" project as a backup. > I continue to bounce because I don't like doing any other type of > editing in the V-Vocal screeen only pitch correction, its a little > clumsy for other stuff. So before you do anything save your file to a > new name, so you can revert. Or bounce it to a new track and archive the V-Vocal one.
From: Sue Morton on 13 Apr 2008 16:32 My $0.02 USD equals those of Ricky and Gerry. I don't run it it "auto" mode but use it to hand-correct some pitches and occasionally formants and sibilance. I think it does a GREAT job if you use your ears just as the guys tell you :-) I have a recording where the pitch is accurate by the singer, but the *intonation* was really poor so it sounds flat. V-Vocal even helped with that, I was able to change the format and bring the pitch up slightly sharp, and that corrected the *perception* that the pitch was flat. -- Sue Morton
From: Gerry Peters on 13 Apr 2008 17:15 On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:32:07 -0700, "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote: >I have a recording where the pitch is accurate by the singer, but the >*intonation* was really poor so it sounds flat. V-Vocal even helped with >that, I was able to change the format and bring the pitch up slightly sharp, >and that corrected the *perception* that the pitch was flat. >-- very good point. The more you do this and develop a keen sense of pitch. You start to understand what's acceptable and what's not, the bottom line is always trust your ears. I'm from the if it ain't broke don't fix it camp. I don't use it on everything unless it's some kind of rush job. Doing this for a while, you start to notice all sorts of out of tune spots on even some hit songs Gerry Peters Gerry Peters
From: Rick Paul on 13 Apr 2008 21:31
"Organfreak" <plonk(a)plinkety.plunk> wrote in message news:cse404le1v48o8l2th37ndccba188vn579(a)4ax.com... > Anybody using it? How do we like it? Sorry if there's already a thread on > that. I don't generally use it for lead vocals, as it seems to impart a bit of a sound that, while relatively subtle, I don't like, at least on my voice (I don't know if it is voice-dependent, but I'm working with my vocals 95% or the time). I get much better results with Antares AutoTune, which I generally use in graphic mode (except for very quick demos and work mixes), which seems pretty much completely transparent if used properly. I do, however, use V-Vocal on background vocals much of the time. While I'm not terribly fond of it for tuning -- I find it much more clumsy to do manual tuning with that than AutoTune, and I've never figured out how to get it to do anything even remotely useful with respect to automatic tuning -- I do like its ability to time stretch parts reasonably transparently, and use that for tightening up BGVs and also for lead vocal doubles, both of which tend to get mixed a lot further back, thus making the subtle "sound" (which I'd characterize as feeling a bit electronic) not really an issue. Just to avoid double processing from tuning software, I then also use V-Vocal for tuning in those cases. As for the formant shifting, I've sometimes used that if needed for a quick repair of some kind, and I think I may have tried it once or twice for special effects. It's nice to have, but not something I'd be likely to use often. Ditto for the dynamic riding -- I usually use a compressor for dealing with that sort of thing automatically, but have, on occasion, made tweaks of that sort in V-Vocal to cure isolated issues that might not be dealt with sufficiently by the compressor setting I'm using. Rick -- ======================================= Rick Paul Closet Cowboy Music (ASCAP) Web: www.RickPaul.info MySpace: www.myspace.com/rickpaulmusic ======================================= |