From: Simon Waters on
Brian McIlwrath wrote:
> Simon Waters <20050412(a)technocool.net> wrote:
>
> : I've just spent what feels like eternity looking for someone with clue
> : at Wanadoo UK. I'd say stay as far away as possible.
>
> Funnily enough I have found them *FAR* more clued up as Wanadoo than they
> ever were as Freeserve. when I ordered an upgrade to 2Mb it happened the
> very same evening (despite quoting up to 10 days)!

Have you pondered Eclipse Flex? They will temporarily upgrade a
connection on the fly through a customer driven web interface for short
periods. I assume regrading is just as quick? Anyone know for sure?

Certainly an interesting idea.

From: Ian on
Edgar Iredale wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 August 2005 12:57 Jason Clifford wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Ian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sorry if this has been asked before but does any one know if Wanadoo
>>>adsl modems work with any of the distro's? I'm thinking of signing up.
>>>
>>>I am using Fedora core 2 atm but have Mandrake 10.1 also.
>>>
>>>Or should I get a different adsl modem?
>>
>>Firstly I'd recommend that you get a modem/router. They can be had for
>>about ý25 these days and are generally a better solution allowing you to
>>connect more than one system while also taking away the whole question of
>>whether it is supported or not.
>>
>
>
> I use Wanadoo (I've been with them for ages. I pay for the 6G service.) and
> Mandrake 10.1. I use a Netgear modem/router to enable three computers to
> connect to adsl. The two Linux machines seem to have no problems but the XP
> one complains from time to time - I just reboot the Netgear. What has
> really helped is that I've used the fourth channel on the router for our
> printer - using a D-Link DP-301P+ Ethernet to parallel adaptor. Any of the
> computers can print through the router which means I've been able to do
> away with one printer and the space it took up (and the ink doesn't dry up
> in the jets of the seldom used one anymore).
>
>
>
>>Wanadoo's ADSL services look fairly expensive to me. Their entry level
>>service only includes 2GB per month of usage. If you download much of
>>anything you'll exceed that and they don't seem to state on their website
>>what happens then.
>
>
> I don't think they bothered to check. However I expect they will begin soon.
>
>
>>I'm biased of course however I'd recommend you look at alternatives
>>(including our services if you like).
>
>
> I very nearly switched to Jason. What held me back was that we decided to
> retain the old freeserve identities which we've used for years.
>
> Edgar
>
>>Jason Clifford
>
>
>
>
Thanks to everyone that replied.
What is the difference between a modem/router and a hub which I already
have? I have three computers I that are networked.

On a different note I am also trying to connect to the other (windoze)
machines and can never see any of them. So that w#hen I am on the
interenet they can surf too whilst I am in Linux. Is this possible?

Ian.
From: anahata on
Ian wrote:
> What is the difference between a modem/router and a hub which I already
> have? I have three computers I that are networked.

Literal answer: the hub doesn't have an ADSL connection...

If you mean why use a modem-router instead of a PCI modem in one of your
PCs, that will get almost the same functionality but two advantages
spring to mind:

- possibly safer because the modem-router gives you a useful level of
firewalling independently of any further precautions you take in software.

- any single PC in your network can connect to the internet when all the
others are switched off.

--
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anahata(a)treewind.co.uk -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk
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From: Simon Waters on
Ian wrote:
>
> What is the difference between a modem/router and a hub which I already
> have? I have three computers I that are networked.

Hubs connect the ethernet devices together. They only connect ethernet
devices together. It is a shared medium, so more devices means they can
congest with each other.

ADSL Modems will deal with the signal handling, and so connect you to
the phone line.

Routers understand IP protocol (and in this case can transfer it from
ethernet to ADSL and vice versa). They usually include a firewall of
some sort, as well as handling DHCP (giving out IP addresses, and
network details), but these aren't necessarily traditional "router" roles.

You can get a modem/router device with one ethernet port, which
obviously isn't much good for connecting a group of computers on its
own, but you could plug that ethernet port into your hub to achieve the
desired effect.

If you really have a "hub", than a combined modem/router/firewall/switch
is likely to connect your computers together a lot faster (if you care
about local network speed - most people don't), because a new box will
likely be a 100Mbps switch, rather than a 10Mbps hub.

I've just gone for one of the Linksys all in one boxes which is ADSL
modem/router/firewall/802.11g wireless AP and switch in one box, all
that for less than I paid for my 802.11b PCMCIA card not so many years ago.

Although I'm a bit concerned about the strength of the wireless signal
when I was testing it, it really is very easy to set up. Although the
Netgear boxes I've used were even simpler.

The difference was on the Linksys you had to specify more details about
how the ADSL works (the answers you had to specify were in the "quick
setup guide", I guess they print a different "quick setup guide" for
each country, but leave the firmware defaults the same in every
country), where as the Netgear you just had to login to the webpage, and
type in your username and password from the ADSL provider (being a
techie I typed in much more, but I could have just typed the username
and password, and it would have worked after a fashion).

> On a different note I am also trying to connect to the other (windoze)
> machines and can never see any of them. So that w#hen I am on the
> interenet they can surf too whilst I am in Linux. Is this possible?

Most of the routers provide both NAT and a DHCP server, and in their
default configuration usually allow upto about 250 network devices to
connect to the Internet at the same time, with NAT providing a slight
level of protection against abuse.

If you really want to, you can configure the GNU/Linux box to see the
Windows boxes. I have my network configured so the Windows boxes <urm
box singular these days> can save their files to the Linux box. I dare
say the GNU/Linux box can see the Windows box, but it doesn't have
anything on it of interest to him.
From: Ewan Mac Mahon on
On Wednesday, 10 August, Simon Waters wrote:
> where as the Netgear you just had to login to the webpage, and
> type in your username and password from the ADSL provider (being a
> techie I typed in much more,
Might I ask what? I've just acquired a Netgear ADSL router for a non-techy
family member; I'm not going to have long to set it up so I'd like to get
as much useful stuff going up front as possible.

Ewan
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