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From: lm on 6 Oct 2005 18:02 mwood5nospam(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Laurent, > I would never say something like "the music of JS Bach is dead", but > as a musical style....if you can lump classical together as one, are > there any modern pieces that you mention? You actually answered the > question with your retort. By using an artist that's been dead for > 100+ years, you further proved the point. Whether or not you think > that classical, or jazz, is dead, there's no denying that the golden > years are far behind. Well, which golden years ? >There are definitely no modern composers that > would qualify in the genius level like the Bachs, Mozarts, etc. Perhaps don't you like him, but Ligeti is certainly a major composer and he is not dead. > As > someone mentioned before, there are no current Tranes, Miles or > Mingus'. What's the best proponent of traditional jazz? One of the > Marsalis brothers? Please. I don't know if Wynton Marsalis is the best proponent of traditional Jazz (this kind of music is'nt my cup of tea though I could'nt say it's dead). But having heard him in a Master Class for my young (10 to 15 years old) Jazz pupils, I can say he's certainly the right man to give them the willing to hear, play and enjoy this music. All those young future Jazz players are the proof this music is'nt dead. Perhaps is there no Coltrane, Mingus or Miles at this time. It does'nt mean this musical expression is dead. There are still jazz creators and they make this music in constant evolution. I can't understand the word "dead" for any kind of style of music. Who decides when a kind of expression is dead ? People die, music doesn't. I guess you mean there's nothing new for you in Jazz music. Since when according to you ? Who was the last novator ? Sorry, but I feel you're "blas?" like people who said in the 70's that all had been done in painting since "White Dot on White Background" had been paint. If you really think Jazz is dead, imagine the new Jazz and show us the way to play it... Don't worry, the next Thelonius Monk will be born in a few years. Hope you'll still be alive to hear to him... Only one question : Which kind of music is still alive according to you ? Regards, Laurent.
From: mwood5nospam on 6 Oct 2005 21:33 I'm not really arguing with you, I actually agree on a lot of the points. But, you're comparison of painting, to my jazz question is not correct. That would be a good analogy if I'd said that music was dead. Let's find a correct painting analogy. Expressionists, post-modern, modern...whatever. They all have their timeline. It's not to say that there's not folks out there today putting out works in these different genres....the same as the music. There are absolutely guys out there putting out jazz that I'm sure I'd dig if I heard it. I'm not even talking about the commercialism of music or painting. I've never given a shyt about what's on the billboard charts or which artists are popular...whatever that means. It's just about the art. And overall, I don't think that jazz is producing the music or the musicians that it did in years gone past. Whatever the timeframe....1935 to 1970...whatever. I have jazz albums and artists that I love from all of those eras. Even some current stuff is nice. It's just not the same anymore. There are many forms of art that have died. That's not to say that they aren't out there or that folks don't still enjoy them, but their popularity has waned and most of the innovative artists that might have participated are doing other things. Bluegrass Rockabilly Baroque Opera Blues (no need for a flame here...it sure aint what it was in the heyday of Chess) Rap Funk Disco Should I go on? As far as me imagining the new Jazz as you suggested. Don't I wish. I've never claimed to be a musical visionary or genius. Heck, I"m a stupid drummer. (insert joke here). I don't know that I want to imagine a new jazz. I happened to really enjoy what was played until about the early 70s. While I loved the BB era of Miles, I hate what it spawned. To me, it was all about the odd times and chops of the musicians. Sort of like what Satriani, Malmsteen and the other shred rockers did to metal in the 80s. They just tried to outplay everyone else. Give me Coltrane who outplayed everyone with the way he played a single note. m
From: Kurt Albershardt on 6 Oct 2005 21:46 lm wrote: > >> As someone mentioned before, there are no current Tranes, Miles or >> Mingus'. What's the best proponent of traditional jazz? One of the >> Marsalis brothers? Please. > > > I don't know if Wynton Marsalis is the best proponent of traditional Jazz Not for my ears, anyway. I enjoy him, but not to the degree I do certain others. > having heard him in a Master Class for my young (10 to 15 years old) > Jazz pupils, I can say he's certainly the right man to give them the > willing to hear, play and enjoy this music. Abso-freakin-lutely. His segments on Ken Burns' Jazz series make this abundantly clear.
From: Paul Stamler on 7 Oct 2005 04:11 I have no idea when, or if, jazz died, but I can tell you that it was glowingly alive in the year Mingus recorded "Ah Um". On the way home tonight our radio station was playing "Better Git It In Your Soul" and it lifted me off the ground as thorooughly as when I first heard it. Peace, Paul
From: mwood5nospam on 7 Oct 2005 09:48
That cd is in my daughters cd player right now. I also listened to it last night. Great piece. m |