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From: Peter D on 7 Jan 2008 14:23 I have a collection of about 3000 slides. Most (Kodak Ektachrome) are still looking great even though they are 20-30 years old. Some (cheap, no-name slide film) are gone forever. I want to make digital copies to 'freeze' the ones that are fine now rather than risk their loss. The slides are in a variety of mounts -- thin glass, cardboard, and plastic. I also have thousands of negative I want to scan. I want to create archival quality copies of everything and then deal with editing and creating lower res versions to share with family or for printing later. I want to automate the process as much as possible. Storage space is not an issue. I'm very familiar with data backup and storage. So no help is required in that area. Do slides in glass mounts have to be scanned differently than the ones in plastic/cardboard mounts (nothing in front of the film)? Currently I have an HP Scanjet 4070 - 48 bit, 2400x2400 dpi Optical res, and a slide/negative TMA that can do 4 at a time. I want to replace it with a better flatbed+TMA or Slide Scanner. here's my options: 1) HP G4010. 96 bit, 6-colour. Optiical res 4800 x 4800. "Hardware Scanning Resolution" 4800 x 9600 -- it's different than "interpolated", but I don't know if the 9600 is a true resolution. I also don't know if beyond 4800 matters anyway. Scan five slides or 6 negatives at once. On sale for $120 (non-sale price $190). Can anyone comment on this scanner, it's specs, and suitability to task. I realize it's not automated, but other than that, any thoughts? 2) HP G4050. Same specs as above, but HP also mentions "faded colour restoration, dust and scratch removal". It can scan 16 slides or 30 negatives at once. $180 at most places. This is my first choice if I can't find a 4010 on sale before 11th (when sale ends). As for Slide Scanners, tigerdirect.ca has a few. - OpticFilm 7200 $232 - 48-bit, 7200 x 7200, and does 4 slides or 6 negatives at a time. Comes with Silverfast software. Reviews are great - 5/5 for all categories. - Plustek 7200i is $366 and seems to be the same as the 7200, but they mention "SilverFast 6 SE iSRD" for the software (they just say "SilverFast" for above model) - Alestron Prime Film 3650u. $330. It says 3600 dpi and "incorporates DIGITAL ICE technology" and doesn't seem to have any kind of tray so it's one slide or a film strip (possible manual feed) at a time. At the moment I'm really leaning towards the G4050 for value and features, but if I'm understanding correctly the slide scanners use red/white LEDs and the SilverFast or Digital ICe technology to automatically restore colour and remove dust and scratches. The HP doesn't. Does it matter?
From: CSM1 on 7 Jan 2008 16:53 "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message news:13o4v17cdilfv35(a)corp.supernews.com... >I have a collection of about 3000 slides. Most (Kodak Ektachrome) are still >looking great even though they are 20-30 years old. Some (cheap, no-name >slide film) are gone forever. I want to make digital copies to 'freeze' the >ones that are fine now rather than risk their loss. The slides are in a >variety of mounts -- thin glass, cardboard, and plastic. > I also have thousands of negative I want to scan. I want to create > archival quality copies of everything and then deal with editing and > creating lower res versions to share with family or for printing later. I > want to automate the process as much as possible. Storage space is not an > issue. I'm very familiar with data backup and storage. So no help is > required in that area. > > Do slides in glass mounts have to be scanned differently than the ones in > plastic/cardboard mounts (nothing in front of the film)? > > Currently I have an HP Scanjet 4070 - 48 bit, 2400x2400 dpi Optical res, > and a slide/negative TMA that can do 4 at a time. I want to replace it > with a better flatbed+TMA or Slide Scanner. here's my options: > > 1) HP G4010. 96 bit, 6-colour. Optiical res 4800 x 4800. "Hardware > Scanning Resolution" 4800 x 9600 -- it's different than "interpolated", > but I don't know if the 9600 is a true resolution. I also don't know if > beyond 4800 matters anyway. Scan five slides or 6 negatives at once. On > sale for $120 (non-sale price $190). Can anyone comment on this scanner, > it's specs, and suitability to task. I realize it's not automated, but > other than that, any thoughts? > > 2) HP G4050. Same specs as above, but HP also mentions "faded colour > restoration, dust and scratch removal". It can scan 16 slides or 30 > negatives at once. $180 at most places. This is my first choice if I can't > find a 4010 on sale before 11th (when sale ends). > > As for Slide Scanners, tigerdirect.ca has a few. > - OpticFilm 7200 $232 - 48-bit, 7200 x 7200, and does 4 slides or 6 > negatives at a time. Comes with Silverfast software. Reviews are great - > 5/5 for all categories. > - Plustek 7200i is $366 and seems to be the same as the 7200, but they > mention "SilverFast 6 SE iSRD" for the software (they just say > "SilverFast" for above model) > - Alestron Prime Film 3650u. $330. It says 3600 dpi and "incorporates > DIGITAL ICE technology" and doesn't seem to have any kind of tray so it's > one slide or a film strip (possible manual feed) at a time. > > At the moment I'm really leaning towards the G4050 for value and features, > but if I'm understanding correctly the slide scanners use red/white LEDs > and the SilverFast or Digital ICe technology to automatically restore > colour and remove dust and scratches. The HP doesn't. Does it matter? > If you want the best quality with the least hassle, spend about $550 to $1900 for a Nikon Film scanner. After you have scanned all of your film, you can then sell the Nikon Film Scanner on Ebay. http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=98 The best for 35 mm only is the Super Coolscan 5000ED. If you have 120 format film the Coolscan 9000ED covers that. The Coolscan V ED is for 35 mm only and is the lowest price. Go to B&H Photo and Video for prices. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ -- CSM1 http://www.carlmcmillan.com --
From: Z1Z on 7 Jan 2008 22:28 [comments bottom-posted] "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message news:13o4v17cdilfv35(a)corp.supernews.com... >I have a collection of about 3000 slides. Most (Kodak Ektachrome) are still >looking great even though they are 20-30 years old. Some (cheap, no-name >slide film) are gone forever. I want to make digital copies to 'freeze' the >ones that are fine now rather than risk their loss. The slides are in a >variety of mounts -- thin glass, cardboard, and plastic. > I also have thousands of negative I want to scan. I want to create > archival quality copies of everything and then deal with editing and > creating lower res versions to share with family or for printing later. I > want to automate the process as much as possible. Storage space is not an > issue. I'm very familiar with data backup and storage. So no help is > required in that area. > > Do slides in glass mounts have to be scanned differently than the ones in > plastic/cardboard mounts (nothing in front of the film)? > > Currently I have an HP Scanjet 4070 - 48 bit, 2400x2400 dpi Optical res, > and a slide/negative TMA that can do 4 at a time. I want to replace it > with a better flatbed+TMA or Slide Scanner. here's my options: > > 1) HP G4010. 96 bit, 6-colour. Optiical res 4800 x 4800. "Hardware > Scanning Resolution" 4800 x 9600 -- it's different than "interpolated", > but I don't know if the 9600 is a true resolution. I also don't know if > beyond 4800 matters anyway. Scan five slides or 6 negatives at once. On > sale for $120 (non-sale price $190). Can anyone comment on this scanner, > it's specs, and suitability to task. I realize it's not automated, but > other than that, any thoughts? > > 2) HP G4050. Same specs as above, but HP also mentions "faded colour > restoration, dust and scratch removal". It can scan 16 slides or 30 > negatives at once. $180 at most places. This is my first choice if I can't > find a 4010 on sale before 11th (when sale ends). > > As for Slide Scanners, tigerdirect.ca has a few. > - OpticFilm 7200 $232 - 48-bit, 7200 x 7200, and does 4 slides or 6 > negatives at a time. Comes with Silverfast software. Reviews are great - > 5/5 for all categories. > - Plustek 7200i is $366 and seems to be the same as the 7200, but they > mention "SilverFast 6 SE iSRD" for the software (they just say > "SilverFast" for above model) > - Alestron Prime Film 3650u. $330. It says 3600 dpi and "incorporates > DIGITAL ICE technology" and doesn't seem to have any kind of tray so it's > one slide or a film strip (possible manual feed) at a time. > > At the moment I'm really leaning towards the G4050 for value and features, > but if I'm understanding correctly the slide scanners use red/white LEDs > and the SilverFast or Digital ICe technology to automatically restore > colour and remove dust and scratches. The HP doesn't. Does it matter? I am facing the same situation, as are lots of other folks. If you buy the equipment to do it yourself, the Nikon 5000 will cost you about $1200 and the autoloader will cost about $500 additional. You could do it without the autoloader, but you might end up spending the rest of your life scanning slides and still not get done. You will want to scan at 4000DPI, and scanning at that resolution with Digital Ice will take a long time for each scan. I am considering another solution - send the job out. I looked rather extensively and kind of like digmypics.com. They charge $0.49 for 2000DPI scans and $0.89 for 4000DPI. If you do it yourself, the equipment will cost you around $1,700 and the hundreds of hours of your own time must be worth something. All in, it is much cheaper to send out the job. If you're not sure, you could send me 50 slides and see how they do. That's what I plan on doing, when I get a chance (I have photos, slides and negs.) What do you think?
From: tomm42 on 8 Jan 2008 08:32 On Jan 7, 2:23 pm, "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote: > I have a collection of about 3000 slides. Most (Kodak Ektachrome) are still > looking great even though they are 20-30 years old. Some (cheap, no-name > slide film) are gone forever. I want to make digital copies to 'freeze' the > ones that are fine now rather than risk their loss. The slides are in a > variety of mounts -- thin glass, cardboard, and plastic. > I also have thousands of negative I want to scan. I want to create archival > quality copies of everything and then deal with editing and creating lower > res versions to share with family or for printing later. I want to automate > the process as much as possible. Storage space is not an issue. I'm very > familiar with data backup and storage. So no help is required in that area. > > Do slides in glass mounts have to be scanned differently than the ones in > plastic/cardboard mounts (nothing in front of the film)? > > Currently I have an HP Scanjet 4070 - 48 bit, 2400x2400 dpi Optical res, and > a slide/negative TMA that can do 4 at a time. I want to replace it with a > better flatbed+TMA or Slide Scanner. here's my options: > > 1) HP G4010. 96 bit, 6-colour. Optiical res 4800 x 4800. "Hardware Scanning > Resolution" 4800 x 9600 -- it's different than "interpolated", but I don't > know if the 9600 is a true resolution. I also don't know if beyond 4800 > matters anyway. Scan five slides or 6 negatives at once. On sale for $120 > (non-sale price $190). Can anyone comment on this scanner, it's specs, and > suitability to task. I realize it's not automated, but other than that, any > thoughts? > > 2) HP G4050. Same specs as above, but HP also mentions "faded colour > restoration, dust and scratch removal". It can scan 16 slides or 30 > negatives at once. $180 at most places. This is my first choice if I can't > find a 4010 on sale before 11th (when sale ends). > > As for Slide Scanners, tigerdirect.ca has a few. > - OpticFilm 7200 $232 - 48-bit, 7200 x 7200, and does 4 slides or 6 > negatives at a time. Comes with Silverfast software. Reviews are great - 5/5 > for all categories. > - Plustek 7200i is $366 and seems to be the same as the 7200, but they > mention "SilverFast 6 SE iSRD" for the software (they just say "SilverFast" > for above model) > - Alestron Prime Film 3650u. $330. It says 3600 dpi and "incorporates > DIGITAL ICE technology" and doesn't seem to have any kind of tray so it's > one slide or a film strip (possible manual feed) at a time. > > At the moment I'm really leaning towards the G4050 for value and features, > but if I'm understanding correctly the slide scanners use red/white LEDs and > the SilverFast or Digital ICe technology to automatically restore colour and > remove dust and scratches. The HP doesn't. Does it matter? Get an Epson V700 refurbed on the Epson site for around $450, or $550 new, does slides better than older slide scanners and probably the ones you have listed. Scanning 12 slides at a time is just the right number, any more and you run out of memory with higher resoutions, any less and you have to sit with the scanner, will do 24 negatives. A good flatbed too. For better results you are looking at 2-3X the price. The Epson has Digital Ice too, but I only use it if I have really dirty slides. I have been very happy with mine, had it for cloe to 2 years. Tom
From: Barry Watzman on 9 Jan 2008 18:22
Re: "The Coolscan V ED is for 35 mm only and is the lowest price." The Nikon 35mm scanners from the LS-2000 forward can all do APS film with an APS adapter (the adapters are not terribly common, but they do show up on E-Bay and they are not too expensive ... under $100). It wasn't relevant to this question, but should be noted for other readers. CSM1 wrote: > "Peter D" <please@.sk> wrote in message > news:13o4v17cdilfv35(a)corp.supernews.com... >> I have a collection of about 3000 slides. Most (Kodak Ektachrome) are still >> looking great even though they are 20-30 years old. Some (cheap, no-name >> slide film) are gone forever. I want to make digital copies to 'freeze' the >> ones that are fine now rather than risk their loss. The slides are in a >> variety of mounts -- thin glass, cardboard, and plastic. >> I also have thousands of negative I want to scan. I want to create >> archival quality copies of everything and then deal with editing and >> creating lower res versions to share with family or for printing later. I >> want to automate the process as much as possible. Storage space is not an >> issue. I'm very familiar with data backup and storage. So no help is >> required in that area. >> >> Do slides in glass mounts have to be scanned differently than the ones in >> plastic/cardboard mounts (nothing in front of the film)? >> >> Currently I have an HP Scanjet 4070 - 48 bit, 2400x2400 dpi Optical res, >> and a slide/negative TMA that can do 4 at a time. I want to replace it >> with a better flatbed+TMA or Slide Scanner. here's my options: >> >> 1) HP G4010. 96 bit, 6-colour. Optiical res 4800 x 4800. "Hardware >> Scanning Resolution" 4800 x 9600 -- it's different than "interpolated", >> but I don't know if the 9600 is a true resolution. I also don't know if >> beyond 4800 matters anyway. Scan five slides or 6 negatives at once. On >> sale for $120 (non-sale price $190). Can anyone comment on this scanner, >> it's specs, and suitability to task. I realize it's not automated, but >> other than that, any thoughts? >> >> 2) HP G4050. Same specs as above, but HP also mentions "faded colour >> restoration, dust and scratch removal". It can scan 16 slides or 30 >> negatives at once. $180 at most places. This is my first choice if I can't >> find a 4010 on sale before 11th (when sale ends). >> >> As for Slide Scanners, tigerdirect.ca has a few. >> - OpticFilm 7200 $232 - 48-bit, 7200 x 7200, and does 4 slides or 6 >> negatives at a time. Comes with Silverfast software. Reviews are great - >> 5/5 for all categories. >> - Plustek 7200i is $366 and seems to be the same as the 7200, but they >> mention "SilverFast 6 SE iSRD" for the software (they just say >> "SilverFast" for above model) >> - Alestron Prime Film 3650u. $330. It says 3600 dpi and "incorporates >> DIGITAL ICE technology" and doesn't seem to have any kind of tray so it's >> one slide or a film strip (possible manual feed) at a time. >> >> At the moment I'm really leaning towards the G4050 for value and features, >> but if I'm understanding correctly the slide scanners use red/white LEDs >> and the SilverFast or Digital ICe technology to automatically restore >> colour and remove dust and scratches. The HP doesn't. Does it matter? >> > > If you want the best quality with the least hassle, spend about $550 to > $1900 for a Nikon Film scanner. > > After you have scanned all of your film, you can then sell the Nikon Film > Scanner on Ebay. > http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=98 > > The best for 35 mm only is the Super Coolscan 5000ED. If you have 120 format > film the Coolscan 9000ED covers that. The Coolscan V ED is for 35 mm only > and is the lowest price. > > Go to B&H Photo and Video for prices. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ > > |