From: Seebs on
On 2010-06-03, Chad <cdalten(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Geeze, all we seem to be missing now is spinoza.

I have mostly come to the conclusion that the sorts of people who rant
about me are a pretty good recommendation.

Kenny's wrath with me dates back to, long ago, a time when I tried to
explain to a usenet newbie why his posts were not well-liked. Kenny
was unable to comprehend why I would do this, because the guy in
question was obviously of low status, and by talking to him I risked
lowering my own social status. It came out that Kenny genuinely believes
that there is no higher purpose, no greater goal, than achieving and
preserving social status; that this is the only thing life is about.

That he should display so many other traits of pathological narcissism
should not surprise anyone. It's a shame -- if you look back far enough,
there was a time when he could talk about technical issues and distinguish
between true claims and false claims, rather than only between claims which
appear to improve his status and claims which appear to improve the status
of others.

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From: Ben Finney on
Seebs <usenet-nospam(a)seebs.net> writes:

> On 2010-06-02, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So you think you two are in some way extra-ordinary WRT plonking
> > people?
>
> Not particularly. However, we have the useful trait that anyone who
> wants to evaluate our competence in the field can go look at our books

In fairness, I'll point out that this isn't readily the case. There are
no books I can find written by “Seebs”. Perhaps if you used your real
name in your From field, that claim would be true.

> > I wonder why you're so mad at him that you're performing that
> > plonk-show in public.
>
> I'm not. It has nothing to do with anger.
[…]
> posting explaining that he was being plonked, and why, seemed like it
> would be the most useful way to make information available likely to
> be of use to other people.

+1. Reinforcement of social norms is only useful if it's done where
newcomers can see it happening.

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`\ salary depends upon his not understanding it.” —Upton Sinclair, |
_o__) 1935 |
Ben Finney
From: Russ P. on
On Jun 2, 10:04 pm, Ben Finney <ben+u...(a)benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Seebs <usenet-nos...(a)seebs.net> writes:
> > On 2010-06-02, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > So you think you two are in some way extra-ordinary WRT plonking
> > > people?
>
> > Not particularly. However, we have the useful trait that anyone who
> > wants to evaluate our competence in the field can go look at our books
>
> In fairness, I'll point out that this isn't readily the case. There are
> no books I can find written by “Seebs”. Perhaps if you used your real
> name in your From field, that claim would be true.
>
>
>
> > > I wonder why you're so mad at him that you're performing that
> > > plonk-show in public.
>
> > I'm not. It has nothing to do with anger.
> […]
> > posting explaining that he was being plonked, and why, seemed like it
> > would be the most useful way to make information available likely to
> > be of use to other people.
>
> +1. Reinforcement of social norms is only useful if it's done where
> newcomers can see it happening.

And what "norms" might that be? Telling me to "RTFM," then
misleadingly claiming that I was "demanding an answer" when all I was
"demanding" was basic courtesy? Are those the "norms" you refer to?
I'm glad those aren't the "norms" where I work!

And this "plonking" stuff is the sort of behavior you might expect
from 3rd graders. I can understand blocking a spammer or a persistent
daily poster, but blocking someone like me, who shows up a few times
per year with a valid question, is obviously some sort of silly little
head game. Grow up, guys! Not that I care in the least that I have
been "plonked," but you would do yourselves a favor if you started
acting like adults. You are adults, right?
From: Ben Finney on
"Russ P." <russ.paielli(a)gmail.com> writes:

> On Jun 2, 10:04 pm, Ben Finney <ben+u...(a)benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> > Seebs <usenet-nos...(a)seebs.net> writes:
> > > On 2010-06-02, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I wonder why you're so mad at him that you're performing that
> > > > plonk-show in public.
> >
> > > I'm not. It has nothing to do with anger.
> > […]
> > > posting explaining that he was being plonked, and why, seemed like
> > > it would be the most useful way to make information available
> > > likely to be of use to other people.
> >
> > +1. Reinforcement of social norms is only useful if it's done where
> > newcomers can see it happening.
>
> And what "norms" might that be?

I'm referring to the declaration that one is filtering future posts from
someone, with an explanation of why.

Doing so publicly means that people can learn who is being ignored by
large and/or influential sections of the community. That visibility —
*with* the clear explanation of why — is an important metric for quickly
determining others's opinions, which in turn is an important input for
maintaining a community.

Each person gets to decide for themselves, of course, how many is large,
or who they consider influentual. I also don't claim that any of the
above is sufficient for a healthy community; but I maintain that it's
valuable.

> Telling me to "RTFM," then misleadingly claiming that I was "demanding
> an answer" when all I was "demanding" was basic courtesy? Are those
> the "norms" you refer to?

I wasn't referring to any of that, and have no comment to add.

> You are adults, right?

Adult social animals, yes.

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`\ choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.” —John |
_o__) Kenneth Galbraith, 1962-03-02 |
Ben Finney
From: Kenny McCormack on
In article <slrni0e9fn.b5g.usenet-nospam(a)guild.seebs.net>,
Seebs <usenet-nospam(a)seebs.net> wrote a bunch of nonsense proving once
again how full of himself he is:

Note that it has been established that:
a) Seebs has some kind of autism/ADD/Aspergers. This explains a lot.
b) Most of what he wrote was passed off as fact, when in fact, it
was nothing more than his autistic interpretations of things I
said. Readers must be sure to be able to distinguish between
actual facts and mere interpretations.

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