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From: Augustus on 19 Apr 2008 19:47

"Kent_Diego" <None(a)no.way> wrote in message
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>> ...
>> And how many of those cards you listed are AGP?
>>
> I have one Vista 32 and two XP systems with X800/X850 AGP cards. My dxdiag
> runs fine on all of them. No hot fix needed. I am sure this is a rare
> problem but it is great that ATI will invest the man-hours necessary to
> release a hotfix for those that need it.
>
> I have never had trouble with ATI drivers since the original Radeon was
> released.

It's not a rare problem. Just because your cards don't have an issue doen't
mean it doesn't exist. Any digging will show you it's a real and widespread
issue. I suggest you Google "catalyst 8.4 hotfix" (or 8.3 hotfix, or, well,
you get it) .The hotfixes have rarely worked for many of the AGP cards that
the problem occurs in. Every hotfix up to 8.3 failed to fix DX functionality
on my X1650 Pro. That's when I gave up and sold the card. And as for it
being "great" that they invest the man hours, consider that ATI/AMD and
their partners are currently making and selling AGP cards which don't work
with the last 8 or 9 driver releases. So no, it's not "great" that they are
doing it. It would be different if these drivers didn't just work in long
out of production but still serviceable legacy cards. It's inexcusable for
the ONLY current drivers to not work on currentlymade and marketed cards.

This issue only arose after the 7.5's for many of the AGP cards. Until this
time there was no issue with this problem. And until then, I and many others
didn't have an issue either.


From: Godfrey Wilkes on 20 Apr 2008 07:01

"Strutter" <private(a)home.no.spam> wrote in message
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> "Godfrey Wilkes" <nospam(a)cornedbeef.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "sl91" <nospam(a)free.fr> wrote in message
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>>> cat's 8.4 are outtttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
>>>
>>
>> What the heck is ATI playing at? OK, STALKER, HL2 and HL2 EP1 now run
>> fine with 8.4 but Crysis is totally b0rked, major graphic corruption.
>> Also noticed that the DirectX3D tests (the spinning cube) in Dxdiag are
>> messed up. Was OK with 8.3. Never had this sort of trouble with my old
>> Nvidia 6800 128Mb, would run anything, on low settings of course.
>>
>> So the situation is - uninstall 8.4 and install 8.3 to play Crysis,
>> uninstall 8.3 and install 8.4 to play STALKER etc. Not good enough ATI!
>
> I've been running 3 systems using ATI graphics cards including a 1650Pro,
> 2600XT and a 3850, one system runs XP 32bit, one runs vista 32bit and one
> vista 64bit. All have run perfectly with no gaming or crashing issues. Not
> a single issue as of yet. I find the ATI drivers are far superior to
> anything that Nvidia have provided me when I used to use their products.
> Maybe the "some" of the crashes and such are more to do with the users and
> their other hardware conflicting or something like that...I dunno, but
> they are great drivers IMO.
>

I would say you've been extremely lucky.

The good news is that the Hotfix driver for AGP cards works very nicely, no
issues at all, but what's really annoying is the need to search out and
install the hotfix in the first place. IMO ATI should offer it as a driver
for AGP cards on their driver download page rather than have it hidden away
under the Knowledgebase.


From: Dre on 20 Apr 2008 19:49
"Godfrey Wilkes" <nospam(a)cornedbeef.net> wrote in message
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> "Strutter" <private(a)home.no.spam> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Godfrey Wilkes" <nospam(a)cornedbeef.net> wrote in message
>> news:X9ednbUgFuSkdJXVnZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d(a)pipex.net...
>>>
>>> "sl91" <nospam(a)free.fr> wrote in message
>>> news:480661d9$0$8082$426a74cc(a)news.free.fr...
>>>> cat's 8.4 are outtttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
>>>>
>>>
>>> What the heck is ATI playing at? OK, STALKER, HL2 and HL2 EP1 now run
>>> fine with 8.4 but Crysis is totally b0rked, major graphic corruption.
>>> Also noticed that the DirectX3D tests (the spinning cube) in Dxdiag are
>>> messed up. Was OK with 8.3. Never had this sort of trouble with my old
>>> Nvidia 6800 128Mb, would run anything, on low settings of course.
>>>
>>> So the situation is - uninstall 8.4 and install 8.3 to play Crysis,
>>> uninstall 8.3 and install 8.4 to play STALKER etc. Not good enough ATI!
>>
>> I've been running 3 systems using ATI graphics cards including a 1650Pro,
>> 2600XT and a 3850, one system runs XP 32bit, one runs vista 32bit and one
>> vista 64bit. All have run perfectly with no gaming or crashing issues.
>> Not a single issue as of yet. I find the ATI drivers are far superior to
>> anything that Nvidia have provided me when I used to use their products.
>> Maybe the "some" of the crashes and such are more to do with the users
>> and their other hardware conflicting or something like that...I dunno,
>> but they are great drivers IMO.
>>
>
> I would say you've been extremely lucky.
>
> The good news is that the Hotfix driver for AGP cards works very nicely,
> no issues at all, but what's really annoying is the need to search out and
> install the hotfix in the first place. IMO ATI should offer it as a driver
> for AGP cards on their driver download page rather than have it hidden
> away under the Knowledgebase.
>
Dunno about luck, I'm the same, not one single issue with any cat from 7.x
to the lastest. No game problems, can play stalker for example for as long
as I want. All Directx tests pass no problems. I'm running an AGP
1950pro..

Cheers Dre


From: Steph on 21 Apr 2008 22:29

"Dre" <someone(a)somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Dunno about luck, I'm the same, not one single issue with any cat from 7.x
> to the lastest. No game problems, can play stalker for example for as
> long as I want. All Directx tests pass no problems. I'm running an AGP
> 1950pro..
>
> Cheers Dre
>

Me too, but though DXDiag says everything is OK, frame rates in games like
IL2 are down significantly with every driver since 7.11


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