From: Andrew Morton on
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:50 -0700
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote:

> This is no longer needed by any userspace tools, so it's safe to
> remove.

Makes my FC6 test box not boot - can't find /dev/root. Then when I go
back to plain old mainline (2.6.35-rc5) and run `make oldconfig', the
..config change sticks:

@@ -106,8 +106,7 @@
CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17
CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y
# CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set
-CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y
-CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y
+# CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
CONFIG_RELAY=y
CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
# CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set

and the box still won't boot.
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From: Eric W. Biederman on
Andrew Morton <akpm(a)linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:50 -0700
> Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote:
>
>> This is no longer needed by any userspace tools, so it's safe to
>> remove.
>
> Makes my FC6 test box not boot - can't find /dev/root. Then when I go
> back to plain old mainline (2.6.35-rc5) and run `make oldconfig', the
> .config change sticks:
>
> @@ -106,8 +106,7 @@
> CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17
> CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y
> # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set
> -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y
> -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y
> +# CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
> CONFIG_RELAY=y
> CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
> # CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set
>
> and the box still won't boot.

The reason FC6 doesn't boot is there is a userspace tool
I believe in the initrd that cares about symlinks when it should
not.

What is more interesting is that currently there is a bug in
2.6.35-rc5 where rmmod <netdriver> modprobe <netdriver> will in fact
fail. There was an inadvertent regression and no one has noticed or
complained. I spotted it by code review just a little bit ago and I
haven't had a chance to write and test the fix yet.

If the code is going to start bitrotting and no one is going to
notice or care simply removing the code instead of subjecting users
to weird unexpected breakage seems like a responsible thing to do.

Eric
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From: Greg KH on
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 05:40:27PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Andrew Morton <akpm(a)linux-foundation.org> writes:
>
> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:50 -0700
> > Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote:
> >
> >> This is no longer needed by any userspace tools, so it's safe to
> >> remove.
> >
> > Makes my FC6 test box not boot - can't find /dev/root. Then when I go
> > back to plain old mainline (2.6.35-rc5) and run `make oldconfig', the
> > .config change sticks:
> >
> > @@ -106,8 +106,7 @@
> > CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17
> > CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y
> > # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set
> > -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y
> > -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y
> > +# CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
> > CONFIG_RELAY=y
> > CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
> > # CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set
> >
> > and the box still won't boot.
>
> The reason FC6 doesn't boot is there is a userspace tool
> I believe in the initrd that cares about symlinks when it should
> not.

Anyone happen to know which tool it is? I remember we had had issues
with FC3 around this area, but I thought we resolved them, so it's
supprising to me that FC6 has issues.

> What is more interesting is that currently there is a bug in
> 2.6.35-rc5 where rmmod <netdriver> modprobe <netdriver> will in fact
> fail. There was an inadvertent regression and no one has noticed or
> complained. I spotted it by code review just a little bit ago and I
> haven't had a chance to write and test the fix yet.
>
> If the code is going to start bitrotting and no one is going to
> notice or care simply removing the code instead of subjecting users
> to weird unexpected breakage seems like a responsible thing to do.

Yeah, that's what prompted this removal. After the s390 guys said that
they were all good to go, I figured no one else would have problems with
it :)

If it turns out there still are issues with older userspaces like FC6
that we can't resolve, I have no problem dropping this patch and then we
will have to fix up the regression.

thanks,

greg k-h
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From: Greg KH on
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 04:38:52PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:50 -0700
> Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote:
>
> > This is no longer needed by any userspace tools, so it's safe to
> > remove.
>
> Makes my FC6 test box not boot - can't find /dev/root. Then when I go
> back to plain old mainline (2.6.35-rc5) and run `make oldconfig', the
> .config change sticks:
>
> @@ -106,8 +106,7 @@
> CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17
> CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y
> # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set
> -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y
> -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y
> +# CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
> CONFIG_RELAY=y
> CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
> # CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set
>
> and the box still won't boot.

Ick, that sucks.

What kernel was FC6 based on originally?

Kay, I thought that Fedora had fixed the "can't find root" issue for
this type of sysfs configuation a long time ago. Or was that something
else for PPC that I am thinking of?

thanks,

greg k-h
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From: Eric W. Biederman on
Greg KH <gregkh(a)suse.de> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 05:40:27PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Andrew Morton <akpm(a)linux-foundation.org> writes:
>>
>> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:50 -0700
>> > Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is no longer needed by any userspace tools, so it's safe to
>> >> remove.
>> >
>> > Makes my FC6 test box not boot - can't find /dev/root. Then when I go
>> > back to plain old mainline (2.6.35-rc5) and run `make oldconfig', the
>> > .config change sticks:
>> >
>> > @@ -106,8 +106,7 @@
>> > CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=17
>> > CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y
>> > # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set
>> > -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y
>> > -CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y
>> > +# CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
>> > CONFIG_RELAY=y
>> > CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
>> > # CONFIG_UTS_NS is not set
>> >
>> > and the box still won't boot.
>>
>> The reason FC6 doesn't boot is there is a userspace tool
>> I believe in the initrd that cares about symlinks when it should
>> not.
>
> Anyone happen to know which tool it is? I remember we had had issues
> with FC3 around this area, but I thought we resolved them, so it's
> supprising to me that FC6 has issues.

It was something in the initrd, that didn't like the symlinks. It
has been a year or more since I looked at it. At that point I just
enabled SYSFS_DEPRECATED and moved on.

>> What is more interesting is that currently there is a bug in
>> 2.6.35-rc5 where rmmod <netdriver> modprobe <netdriver> will in fact
>> fail. There was an inadvertent regression and no one has noticed or
>> complained. I spotted it by code review just a little bit ago and I
>> haven't had a chance to write and test the fix yet.
>>
>> If the code is going to start bitrotting and no one is going to
>> notice or care simply removing the code instead of subjecting users
>> to weird unexpected breakage seems like a responsible thing to do.
>
> Yeah, that's what prompted this removal. After the s390 guys said that
> they were all good to go, I figured no one else would have problems with
> it :)
>
> If it turns out there still are issues with older userspaces like FC6
> that we can't resolve, I have no problem dropping this patch and then we
> will have to fix up the regression.

I still have to test it but it looks like a one liner. Actually two lines
now that I have to fix the error in symlink creation as well.

Eric
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