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From: redrumloa on 9 Jan 2008 18:05
Guys,
I've used getty in he past and always asumed that shell accounts were
the same thing, never having used a shell account myself. After last
Saturday on IRC, I get the impression this is not the case. How is a
shell account different than getty? Can getty be configured to act
like a shell account? If not, is there software for Linux (Ubuntu) to
offer a local shell account? I have a Ubuntu box next to my 128, I
would like to use it for a shell account on my 128.

Thanks in advance.
From: davemcmurtrie on 9 Jan 2008 19:53
On Jan 9, 6:05 pm, redrumloa <amiga...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Guys,
> I've used getty in he past and always asumed that shell accounts were
> the same thing, never having used a shell account myself. After last
> Saturday on IRC, I get the impression this is not the case. How is a
> shell account different than getty? Can getty be configured to act
> like a shell account? If not, is there software for Linux (Ubuntu) to
> offer a local shell account? I have a Ubuntu box next to my 128, I
> would like to use it for a shell account on my 128.
>
> Thanks in advance.


When you are entering commands on any unix (or linux) host, the thing
that gives you a command prompt and interprets your commands is called
a shell. Hence, any ISP that offers you a login on one of their hosts
generally calls that a shell account.

getty is the daemon that runs on linux systems that monitors a serial
line and provides a terminal (tty) over which you can communicate with
a host. Note that getty isn't what the daemon is called on all unix/
linux hosts, so don't get hung up on that. On Solaris, for example,
it has morphed from getty to sacadm to zsmon over the years.

If you connect a modem to your c64 and dial in to your ISP (if they
offer you a shell account), you'd log in to their server and you'd be
entering shell commands like "lynx" to browse the web, or "pine" to
read your e-mail, or "rn" to read this newsgroup.

If you connect a null modem cable between your c64 and a unix host in
your house, the getty process running on your unix host would
ultimately provide you with a tty in which you could log in, launch a
shell and do the same.

In either case you have a shell account. In the case of your ISP,
you're probably connecting over a pseudo-terminal, and some process
other than getty is responsible on their side.

Thanks,

Dave
From: redrumloa on 9 Jan 2008 20:59
Dave,
Thanks for the reply. Here's the reason I ask. I was surprised to
hear Robert on IRC state he could download to his local C= using a
dial up shell account. With getty, no matter what any downloads would
go to the Linux box. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a
difference between getty and these dial up shell accounts?

Thanks again,
Jim
From: davemcmurtrie on 9 Jan 2008 21:55
On Jan 9, 8:59 pm, redrumloa <amiga...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Dave,
> Thanks for the reply. Here's the reason I ask. I was surprised to
> hear Robert on IRC state he could download to his local C= using a
> dial up shell account. With getty, no matter what any downloads would
> go to the Linux box. Am I doing something wrong, or is this a
> difference between getty and these dial up shell accounts?

When you connect to your Linux box with a c64 using a null modem cable
and run terminal software on your c64 (novaterm, etc), you get nothing
more than a terminal window on your Linux machine. It's literally no
different than if you were to connect a real vt100 terminal to the
serial port of your linux machine. The internet connection is between
your linux host and the internet. Your c64, in this case, just
displays the result of the commands you type on your linux box. If
you download a file from the internet, the file is downloaded to your
linux box, not your c64. To get it from your linux box to your c64,
you should be able to use a protocol like zmodem, xmodem or ymodem,
whichever your c64 terminal program supports.

Thanks,

Dave
From: Golan Klinger on 10 Jan 2008 00:17
Contrary to what Robert says and believes, his 128 isn't really connected
to the Internet (it isn't a host with an IP address). He is just using his
128 as a dumb terminal.

--
Golan Klinger
Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.

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