hla set up for the art of assembly
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From: Frank Kotler on 16 Jun 2008 06:16 Evenbit wrote: > On Jun 16, 2:43 am, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...(a)nohavenot.cmm> wrote: >>> On Jun 15, 5:51 pm, "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_h...(a)nohavenot.cmm> wrote: >>>> Third... not because HLA is bad or wrong, but because it's likely one >> will >>>> be on an environment where HLA isn't an option. Then, you need to >>>> understand real assembly > > [[ snipped trollish blabber ]] > > I will give you another chance to answer the question. This time, do > try to stay on topic. > > What do you mean by environment? > > Are you talking about OS?? If so, HLA is available for all the OSen > that Nasm covers. Not true. OS/2 users are having to port HLA on their own. (not to mention dos) > Are you talking about bitness?? Okay, the Nasm/Fasm/Yasm boys have > the edge in 64-bit support. True. Yasm even has macho64, I understand. (Nasm is looking for a macho maintainer. Any Mac gurus in here?) > Are you talking about CPU?? If so, it doesn't matter which tool one > uses for writing x86 assembly -- all of them are equally guilty of > making one ill-prepared for coding for a 68000, 8581, 6502, etc... If this is the question (I think it's what Rod meant), the answer is (G)as. (at least HLA's got the operand order "right") > Sorry to have burned your strawman. :) Please compost any unwanted strawmen! Burning 'em contributes to Global Warming. Best, Frank
From: ronaldsorrell2005 on 16 Jun 2008 07:16 On Jun 14, 4:23 pm, Herbert Kleebauer <k...(a)unibwm.de> wrote: > ronaldsorrell2...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > the answer is ______42_________________________________ > > 42 in words: > > Don't use HLA, use an assembler. There are plenty assemblers > available so there is really no reason to use HLA. If you > want to use a HL language instead of an assembler, use C > and not HLA. No must use HLA to learn assembly langauge. I have taken a few classes on the ti430 MSP and they use assembly risk set. i am hooked on assembly and I must know more. besides I did get it work on vista.
From: ronaldsorrell2005 on 16 Jun 2008 07:41 On Jun 15, 9:30 am, Frank Kotler <fbkot...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Wolfgang Kern wrote: > > Herbert Kleebauer wrote: > > >>> the answer is ______42_________________________________ > > >> 42 in words: > > >> Don't use HLA, use an assembler. There are plenty assemblers > >> available so there is really no reason to use HLA. If you > >> want to use a HL language instead of an assembler, use C > >> and not HLA. > > > Fully seconded from my view. > > Only "semi-seconded" by me. I agree that "the way to learn assembly > language" is to start at a very low level - DEBUG or so - and work up > to... well, "powerful macros" and "high level constructs", if that's > what you want. You could use C, as Herbert suggests, but you can also > get some of those features in a "macro assembler", if that's what you > want to do. > > There's a "reason" to use HLA: AoA. It's a "good" book - "extensive" > anyway. I'm not aware of anyplace else all that information is > available. Dr. Carter's "pcasm", Jonathan Bartlett's "PGU", Jeff > Duntemann's "Step by Step" are all good, but don't "get as far" as AoA. > You can "read" AoA and "use" any assembler (I use AoA as a "reference" - > never read it front-to-back), but it's an extra complication a beginner > doesn't need! So if Ronald wants to read AoA, using HLA is "easiest". > > If he wants to try some other assembler (any of 'em will want to be on > your "PATH", too), we'd be glad to help with that. Delighted, in fact! > > (if ya don't want to hear this noise, Ronald - that "aoaprogramming" > group on !YAHOO!...) > > Best, > Frank No the noise is ok, I like to hear other poeples opions, this helps me to understand what is going on and what some poeple think about topics surrounding programing. I am hooked on assembly language since I took the Micro 1 & 2 at Miami University in Ohio. the classes used the TI 430 chips and HCS 68 & the dragon 12 development board, all in assembly. So it used the chips instructiion sets and the professor only spent 2 weeks on the bios and assembly for Intel chips so I feel a little cheated. Also every programmer I have talked in any length said i learned the assembly language it help me become a programer in all other languages as far as understanding what is going on. so I must learn it and I have been pointed to the art of assmbley by so many poeple they all can not be wrong. but as far as having to work to figure things out is just apart of the learning process because if it all where simple to learn every one would be doing it. No pain no gain. Now I have got the Hla working on vista, I still have to type in the set path phrase and this is ok for now or until I learn more about it and can manipulate it myself. So all of you for your assitance in this and I am sure you will be hearing from me again on my journy to learning the assembly language.
From: santosh on 16 Jun 2008 09:55 Frank Kotler wrote: <snip> Now now. You're all making poor Betov feel useless!
From: Herbert Kleebauer on 16 Jun 2008 09:56
ronaldsorrell2005(a)yahoo.com wrote: > On Jun 14, 4:23 pm, Herbert Kleebauer <k...(a)unibwm.de> wrote: > > ronaldsorrell2...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > > the answer is ______42_________________________________ > > > > 42 in words: > > > > Don't use HLA, use an assembler. There are plenty assemblers > > available so there is really no reason to use HLA. If you > > want to use a HL language instead of an assembler, use C > > and not HLA. > > No must use HLA to learn assembly langauge. Funny, that's like "No must use Java to learn C language". |