most fit mic type for vocal concerts
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From: alberto on 18 Nov 2005 04:08 Typical layout: - vocal quartet, no instruments - live concerts - miking from 2 to 4 meters - small churches, concert halls or theaters, in either case rarely exceeding 300-500 seats; now and then there is quite much of a reverberation, but usually it's rather dry instead Which type of mic should I buy: - omni - cardioid And do I want - flat frequency response, or - a bass roll-off filter? I'd say cardioid, also because I'm interested in the music not in the audience, and because cardioids let me play more with different stereo miking arrangements. But some cardioids have a roll-off I can't take out (I don't have a mixer), so it's also a matter whether the roll-off is desirable or not. Thank you in advance Alberto
From: Paul Stamler on 18 Nov 2005 05:10 "alberto" <alblonghi(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1132304913.156782.225570(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > - vocal quartet, no instruments > - live concerts > - miking from 2 to 4 meters > - small churches, concert halls or theaters, in either case rarely > exceeding 300-500 seats; now and then there is quite much of a > reverberation, but usually it's rather dry instead > I'd say cardioid, also because I'm interested in the music not in the > audience, and because cardioids let me play more with different stereo > miking arrangements. I'd agree. > But some cardioids have a roll-off I can't take > out (I don't have a mixer), so it's also a matter whether the roll-off > is desirable or not. It's not; the rolloff is there for close-up use, to reduce bass-boost caused by proximity effect. You may want to roll off bass to get rid of hall rumble, but that'd be at a frequency lower than the bass rolloffs in many cardioid mics. As a rule of thumb, if the mic is flat down to 70Hz you should be okay, but a mic that's flat to a lower frequency couldn't hurt, provided you'll have the chance to filter out rumble after recording, during editing. Peace, Paul
From: Scott Dorsey on 18 Nov 2005 09:00 In article <1132304913.156782.225570(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, alberto <alblonghi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Typical layout: > >- vocal quartet, no instruments >- live concerts >- miking from 2 to 4 meters >- small churches, concert halls or theaters, in either case rarely >exceeding 300-500 seats; now and then there is quite much of a >reverberation, but usually it's rather dry instead > >Which type of mic should I buy: > >- omni >- cardioid > >And do I want > >- flat frequency response, or >- a bass roll-off filter? > >I'd say cardioid, also because I'm interested in the music not in the >audience, and because cardioids let me play more with different stereo >miking arrangements. But some cardioids have a roll-off I can't take >out (I don't have a mixer), so it's also a matter whether the roll-off >is desirable or not. Is this for recording or PA? What are these people singing and in what style? If it's for recording, I would suggest starting with an ORTF pair, which means you'll need cardioids. It may not be the best configuration in any one hall, but it's usable in any hall. Whether the roll-off is desireable depends on the room and on your group. If you have a real basso profundo who can project from his chest, you can actually have substantial low end. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Ty Ford on 18 Nov 2005 09:30 On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:08:33 -0500, alberto wrote (in article <1132304913.156782.225570(a)g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>): > Typical layout: > > - vocal quartet, no instruments > - live concerts > - miking from 2 to 4 meters > - small churches, concert halls or theaters, in either case rarely > exceeding 300-500 seats; now and then there is quite much of a > reverberation, but usually it's rather dry instead > > Which type of mic should I buy: > > - omni > - cardioid > > And do I want > > - flat frequency response, or > - a bass roll-off filter? > > I'd say cardioid, also because I'm interested in the music not in the > audience, and because cardioids let me play more with different stereo > miking arrangements. But some cardioids have a roll-off I can't take > out (I don't have a mixer), so it's also a matter whether the roll-off > is desirable or not. > > Thank you in advance > Alberto > 2-4 meters is way too far away. You'll never get "dry sound" at that distance. Is this for PA amplification or recording or both? Regards, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com
From: alberto on 18 Nov 2005 10:10
Scott Dorsey ha scritto: > Is this for recording or PA? What are these people singing and in > what style? It's mostly for recording period polyphonic music (14th to 16th century), sacred or secular. We are two male and two female voices. Our color is quite bright. Rarely sung, in concert, any note below F# 88Hz. > Whether the roll-off is desireable depends on the room and on your > group. If you have a real basso profundo who can project from his > chest, you can actually have substantial low end. We don't: I'm the bass, no a baritone really... Not really good at that either... Last thing I need is having my notes below A110 damped by the mike. I was thinking about the Microtrack and Core Sound's binaurals. With those omnis I have no roll off, but no ORTF either. CS cardiodids do have the roll off. I know, no pro audio, but some very portable and compact and unexpensive equipment hopefully a step above the MD, running a noise-free 16/44 unattended for some 3 hours (turn on before people get into the hall, turn off when the concert is over). Otherwise, if I must go with cardioids: the Microtrack, the NT6 (or your suggested mike), a phantom/preamp, cables, cable adapter... More expensive and less portable equipment. Or, can you suggest a mike from this list (one that is priced reasonably given the rest of the equipment), to spare me the purchase of a preamp: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=7fb377f3ef962038a26bc5c2291bafc1 Or a neutral alternative to the CS miniature cardioids? Thank you Alberto |