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From: Vaclav Haisman on 13 Apr 2008 18:39
spinoza1111 wrote, On 13.4.2008 12:17:
> [...]
People like this make me wonder whether freedom of speech is really a good thing.

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VH
From: spinoza1111 on 13 Apr 2008 23:47
On Apr 14, 6:39 am, Vaclav Haisman <v.hais...(a)sh.cvut.cz> wrote:
> spinoza1111wrote, On 13.4.2008 12:17:> [...]
>
> People like this make me wonder whether freedom of speech is really a good thing.

...thank you for your honesty. Most people, especially the lower
middle class, really don't support real freedom of speech when someone
like me actually tries it. Sure, they are ready enough to allow
conventional messages of the sort that a controlled press or a
corporate newsletter prints and of the sort no-one actually reads.

But if someone actually engages reality as such, the usual "supporter
of free speech" is perfectly willing to see that person beat up in an
alleyway in the name of a quiet life for the majority.


>
> --
> VH

From: Chris McDonald on 14 Apr 2008 00:21
spinoza1111 <spinoza1111(a)yahoo.com> writes:

>.thank you for your honesty. Most people, especially the lower
>middle class, really don't support real freedom of speech when someone
>like me actually tries it. Sure, they are ready enough to allow
>conventional messages of the sort that a controlled press or a
>corporate newsletter prints and of the sort no-one actually reads.


All one can conclude from this is that you don't consider yourself in
the lower middle class, or that you're wrong.
Neither have anything to do with comp.programming, though.

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Chris.
From: Richard Heathfield on 14 Apr 2008 02:41
Vaclav Haisman said:

> spinoza1111 wrote, On 13.4.2008 12:17:
>> [...]
> People like this make me wonder whether freedom of speech is really a
> good thing.

Freedom of speech *is* a good thing.

Fortunately, we have freedom of listening. We are not required to listen to
gibberish, and many Usenet newsreading clients are quite well-furnished
with ways to filter it out automatically. Or we can simply shrug and move
on. Usenet conventions are for those who understand the value of
conventions (and of courtesy). Those who lack such understanding cannot be
persuaded to gain it, but neither is there any requirement imposed upon us
to listen to their verbiage.

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Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
From: spinoza1111 on 14 Apr 2008 03:31
On Apr 14, 2:41 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...(a)see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> Vaclav Haisman said:
>
> > spinoza1111 wrote, On 13.4.2008 12:17:
> >> [...]
> > People like this make me wonder whether freedom of speech is really a
> > good thing.
>
> Freedom of speech *is* a good thing.
>
> Fortunately, we have freedom of listening. We are not required to listen to
> gibberish, and many Usenet newsreading clients are quite well-furnished
> with ways to filter it out automatically. Or we can simply shrug and move
> on. Usenet conventions are for those who understand the value of
> conventions (and of courtesy). Those who lack such understanding cannot be
> persuaded to gain it, but neither is there any requirement imposed upon us
> to listen to their verbiage.

Unfortunately, you are feeding the troll. This is because you reply to
others while intending to reply to me, because you're the problem with
this newsgroup and as the problem, you need to attack others.

If you think I am the troll here, then simply cease replying. Address
others through email.

If you expose my name and reputation to libel, I will reply, and I
will seek legal action.

To post publically information that diminishes the humanity and right
to be heard of others is to seek to dominate this ng through bullying,
and this is what you do.

However, I have undertaken to reply minimally or not at all until my
spinoza project is done. When the progress reporter piece is done I
will post a notice of its availability.

You're the deviant here, Mr. Heathfield. You conduct campaigns not in
the interest of technical truth but in order to establish a dominance
which you are incapable of establishing elsewhere.

That's all for now. You make me ill.
>
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> Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
> Email: -http://www. +rjh@
> Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
> "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

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