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From: Nick Malik [Microsoft] on 28 Feb 2007 01:51 "arnuld" <geek.arnuld(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172605520.116681.106010(a)z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 27, 3:38 pm, "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" >> <nickma...(a)hotmail.nospam.com> wrote: >> I have a healthy respect for people who do not use the same software >> platforms as I do. I even have respect for people who are willing to >> make a >> rational case for why their measurements of "goodness" are more >> appropriate >> than the ones used by the Microsoft product teams (where I do not work). > > [OT] > > i did NOT disrespect you. i do say that majority of Windows users do > not possess any Common-Sense when it comes to even understanding how > to use an OS effectively according to one's daily needs. > > [/OT] Tell you what. You go ahead and insult the majority of computer users. While you are busy insulting them, I'll sell them software. We shall see how you measure success. >> Oh, and those products that are not "technically good..." run on about >> 90% >> of all personal computers worldwide. > > [OT] > 99% of Indians also say that "General Dwyer", killed thousands of men, > women and children in Jaliawala Bagh" in Amritsar, India. > > do you believe them ? um... yes. General Dwyer admitted doing it. They pulled bodies out of the well, for goodness sake. It was mass murder. > > 95% of Indians and at least 70% of this world believe in ghosts and > most of these people have seen ghosts. > > do you believe them ? I have no reason not to. >> But >> I don't believe in technical purity for its own sake. BTW: IMHO: Apple >> is >> better at brand development than Microsoft is. > > [OT] > i do not agree with that. Even if today, Microsoft launches > Motorcycles with "leak-able petrol tanks" and "worn-out spark-plugs", > Microsoft will sell them. that is not a result of branding. You clearly have no understanding of how marketing works. Not that I'm surprised. > >> The only word in brackets is the name of my employer. Do you believe >> that >> it is not inflammatory to refer to my employer as a "devil" when you have >> demonstrated, proudly, a lack of knowledge or understanding of what it >> means >> to work there? This is another example of intentionally casting insults. >> There is no room for this kind of name-calling in a civilized >> conversation. > > [OT] > > i do not want to work for Bill Gates like i do not want to work for SS Your comparison is unwarranted, inflammatory, and foolish. > [1] > > yes, you are right. i am not impressed with your employer's business > practices, for he is obstructing human-development with his business > practices, not sure for what reason. I disagree. He is far better than most other businessmen, and his business practices do not harm common men and women(although many would say that Microsoft has harmed other corporations... they are still paying for that). So what does Mr. Gates do with all that money? Expensive vacations? Extravagant birthday parties? No. He tries to vaccinate children, and educate poor people, and fund the construction of basic educational infrastructure. I guess that means he's obstructing human development in your eyes. I wonder what you say about other high-tech business leaders, most of whom do none of those things. > [/OT] > > >> This is the last I will say on the topic of your clear and demonstrable >> prejudice against one of the leading software and programming tools >> companies. > > [OT] > what you *think* or *see* as prejudice, is simply Common-Sense, what > 90% of this world never understands. i have a simple philosophy: > "Observe the masses and think the opposite". You must think that the world is flat. After all, the masses believe it is round. Choosing the opposite of popular thinking is not wisdom. It demonstrates the same lack of thoughtfulness as simply agreeing with the masses. > > People still think we Indians, ourselves, with our own effort, removed > the British Rule from India. The Indians had some help from the Brits themselves, but for the most part, those people are right... the Indians did remove British rule from India. > i do not agree with such lies. among > those, who speak *that* truth, are those who throw Acids on girl's > faces just because they wear Jeans. Odd comparison. You don't spend much time actually thinking, do you? I can see why your grades were so poor and why you consider "hacking" to be an art form. > > Have you ever tried to think what SS and Jaliawala Bagh and high-tech > India have in common with ghosts and Jeans > they are twisted together in a mass conspiracy in your deranged mind? > ....think hard, > > > ............after some days, try my BLOG I did. David Koresh used to write like you do. So did Jim Jones. -- --- Nick Malik [Microsoft] MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not representative of my employer. I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a programmer helping programmers. --
From: arnuld on 28 Feb 2007 02:52 > On Feb 28, 11:34 am, Jerry Coffin <jcof...(a)taeus.com> wrote: > That's a bit hard to say -- I've never really had any major "about > faces" or anything like that, but certainly my ideas have grown and > changed over time. I doubt my whole outlook on development has survived > intact for an entire week, but there's still a pretty obvious similarity > between what I do now, and hacking I did on the school's Control Data > mainframe, all the way back in college... yes, i do observe such things in "growing men" > That's where my ego probably played a part -- even in my first semester > of college, I never really doubted myself. I probably _should_ have, but > I didn't. :-) If anything, I probably trust myself less now -- thinking > back on some of what I (and my friends) did, it's hard to believe we > dove up to our elbows in multi-million dollar machines without a second > thought, hacking the hardware as much as the software, soldering away > immediately after spending a few hours at the Red Garter Saloon, and all > manner of "stuff" I wouldn't even consider today... WOW!, good to hear this :-) > I guess I'll have to take your word for it. I suppose it may be a matter > of viewpoint as much as anything else. To anybody else, there's probably > no resemblance at all, but to me it's easy to see a thread between some > code I wrote this afternoon, and an algorithm I worked out for the > Rubik's cube 25 years ago or so... :-) there *is* a thread, i can notice it and , i have always noticed the same in the behaviour and thinking of great men (like Bruce Lee & Abraham Lincoln) -- arnuld http://arnuld.blogspot.com
From: arnuld on 28 Feb 2007 02:56
On Feb 28, 11:51 am, "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" <nickma...(a)hotmail.nospam.com> wrote: > "arnuld" <geek.arn...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1172605520.116681.106010(a)z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> On Feb 27, 3:38 pm, "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" > >> <nickma...(a)hotmail.nospam.com> wrote: > >> I have a healthy respect for people who do not use the same software > >> platforms as I do. I even have respect for people who are willing to > >> make a > >> rational case for why their measurements of "goodness" are more > >> appropriate > >> than the ones used by the Microsoft product teams (where I do not work). > > > [OT] > > > i did NOT disrespect you. i do say that majority of Windows users do > > not possess any Common-Sense when it comes to even understanding how > > to use an OS effectively according to one's daily needs. > > > [/OT] > > Tell you what. You go ahead and insult the majority of computer users. > While you are busy insulting them, I'll sell them software. > > We shall see how you measure success. > > >> Oh, and those products that are not "technically good..." run on about > >> 90% > >> of all personal computers worldwide. > > > [OT] > > 99% of Indians also say that "General Dwyer", killed thousands of men, > > women and children in Jaliawala Bagh" in Amritsar, India. > > > do you believe them ? > > um... yes. General Dwyer admitted doing it. They pulled bodies out of the > well, for goodness sake. It was mass murder. > > > > > 95% of Indians and at least 70% of this world believe in ghosts and > > most of these people have seen ghosts. > > > do you believe them ? > > I have no reason not to. > > >> But > >> I don't believe in technical purity for its own sake. BTW: IMHO: Apple > >> is > >> better at brand development than Microsoft is. > > > [OT] > > i do not agree with that. Even if today, Microsoft launches > > Motorcycles with "leak-able petrol tanks" and "worn-out spark-plugs", > > Microsoft will sell them. > > that is not a result of branding. You clearly have no understanding of how > marketing works. Not that I'm surprised. > > > > >> The only word in brackets is the name of my employer. Do you believe > >> that > >> it is not inflammatory to refer to my employer as a "devil" when you have > >> demonstrated, proudly, a lack of knowledge or understanding of what it > >> means > >> to work there? This is another example of intentionally casting insults. > >> There is no room for this kind of name-calling in a civilized > >> conversation. > > > [OT] > > > i do not want to work for Bill Gates like i do not want to work for SS > > Your comparison is unwarranted, inflammatory, and foolish. > > > [1] > > > yes, you are right. i am not impressed with your employer's business > > practices, for he is obstructing human-development with his business > > practices, not sure for what reason. > > I disagree. He is far better than most other businessmen, and his business > practices do not harm common men and women(although many would say that > Microsoft has harmed other corporations... they are still paying for that). > So what does Mr. Gates do with all that money? Expensive vacations? > Extravagant birthday parties? No. He tries to vaccinate children, and > educate poor people, and fund the construction of basic educational > infrastructure. I guess that means he's obstructing human development in > your eyes. I wonder what you say about other high-tech business leaders, > most of whom do none of those things. > > > [/OT] > > >> This is the last I will say on the topic of your clear and demonstrable > >> prejudice against one of the leading software and programming tools > >> companies. > > > [OT] > > what you *think* or *see* as prejudice, is simply Common-Sense, what > > 90% of this world never understands. i have a simple philosophy: > > "Observe the masses and think the opposite". > > You must think that the world is flat. After all, the masses believe it is > round. > > Choosing the opposite of popular thinking is not wisdom. > It demonstrates the same lack of thoughtfulness as simply agreeing with the > masses. > > > > > People still think we Indians, ourselves, with our own effort, removed > > the British Rule from India. > > The Indians had some help from the Brits themselves, but for the most part, > those people are right... the Indians did remove British rule from India. > > > i do not agree with such lies. among > > those, who speak *that* truth, are those who throw Acids on girl's > > faces just because they wear Jeans. > > Odd comparison. You don't spend much time actually thinking, do you? I can > see why your grades were so poor and why you consider "hacking" to be an art > form. > > > > > Have you ever tried to think what SS and Jaliawala Bagh and high-tech > > India have in common with ghosts and Jeans > > they are twisted together in a mass conspiracy in your deranged mind? > > > ....think hard, > > > ............after some days, try my BLOG > > I did. David Koresh used to write like you do. So did Jim Jones. > > -- > --- Nick Malik [Microsoft] > MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster > http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik > > Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not > representative of my employer. > I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a > programmer helping programmers. > -- [OT] i can take this towards a never ending debate but i do not want to do that. i will leave it here [/OT] |