why is ubuntu, kubuntu and many others still not open like suse?
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From: Thorsten Kampe on 8 Apr 2008 14:18 * titicaca (Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:18:03 -0700 (PDT)) > if a mf corporation tells you that the air > you bread is open, [...] This guy is a genius. That's a haiku - come and find the sense in the nonsense... Thorsten
From: houghi on 8 Apr 2008 14:25 Tom F. wrote: > On Apr 8, 12:58 pm, houghi <hou...(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > >> > However, now you are going overboard. >> >> Overboard? I am downtoning it. > > You are kidding, right? No. Even this posting is toned down. > You are the one having conniptions over a news reader. Google Groups is not a news reader. > The details of one particular situation doesn't really matter. Yes, it does. Always a pity if people do not want to go into those details. Sure sounds as if you agree with me and just are afraid to admit it. > GG serves legitimate users and serves a need -- or it wouldn't exist. That does not mean that it is a good idea and should be used. The same can be said for Windows, for the RIAA, for patent trolls and many other things. > In any case, I find it serves me well, so I use it and I like it. Is > that so bad? Yes, it is. It sucks big time and instead of only bothering the people using it, it also bothers the rest of Usenet. For one, they make it hard to understand that Usenet thread is a tree structure and not a line. This influence how people react to postings. The second thing is that it makes it diffcult for the user to quote correctly and that user often does not even understand what correct quoting is. Then there is the fact that this is Usenet. If you are not willing to use a Newsreader, it makes me wonder wether you are serious about the whole thing. Which means wether I should even bother to answer your questions. So there YOU loose out. Because of you defending it, it means more people will start using it, kiling Usenet slowly and turning it into webforums. If you like webforums, please visit those. There are some fantastic ones about openSUSE, or so I have been told. houghi -- This was written under the influence of the following: | Artist : 25 Vanmorgen Vloog Ze Nog | Song : Simone Kleinsma & Robert Lo | Album : Nederlandse Top 100
From: Moe Trin on 8 Apr 2008 15:57 On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.suse, in article <e9486545-cb7f-4fc3-9376-e1b1aa37bd64(a)24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Tom F. wrote: NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server. >Harold Stevens <woo...(a)aces.localdomain> wrote: >> For the past couple of weeks (AFAIK), there's been a resurgence of >> wintroll activity, especially from Google Gropes (GG). They're >> ignorant, and a total waste of time, parading their deliberate >> stupidity as a sort of honor. >> >> (I bozobin all GG on sight, so I'm missing all this "fun" lately, >> anyway) I'm only killfiling GG on seven of the eighty groups I try to scan every day. I'm getting closer to adding this group to the filter. >Well, some of us who use GG aren't trolls. You're posting from Road Runner address space, and they have a contract news service - not a very good one, but real. However there are a number of free alternatives that have less of a reputation for spam, as well as low cost services like individual.net. >The biggest problem with GG is the lack of a kill file! and the advertisements and other spam. Posting from GG makes it more difficult to get a useful reply, because the helpful people are more apt to be filtering such posts. Old guy
From: Tom F. on 8 Apr 2008 16:00 On Apr 8, 2:25 pm, houghi <hou...(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > > You are the one having conniptions over a news reader. > > Google Groups is not a news reader. Haha. OK, you got me on that one. > > The details of one particular situation doesn't really matter. > > Yes, it does. Always a pity if people do not want to go into those > details. Sure sounds as if you agree with me and just are afraid to > admit it. In fact, you have some good points, however I just am not convinced that GG is the evil entity you make it out to be. I switch between at least 3 computers per day, and I only administrate one of them. GG lets me keep up with things where ever I am. That is a convenience. It's a lot better than ssh to my home box. > > GG serves legitimate users and serves a need -- or it wouldn't exist. > > That does not mean that it is a good idea and should be used. The same > can be said for Windows, for the RIAA, for patent trolls and many other > things. Hard to argue when you put it that way, but Google is not MS or RIAA. > Yes, it is. It sucks big time and instead of only bothering the people > using it, it also bothers the rest of Usenet. For one, they make it hard > to understand that Usenet thread is a tree structure and not a line. > This influence how people react to postings. I'm looking at the tree structure right now. You should check GG out before you presume too much. > > The second thing is that it makes it diffcult for the user to quote > correctly and that user often does not even understand what correct > quoting is. That's a user issue. I've been quoting correctly, haven't I? GG is not really standing in my way. > Then there is the fact that this is Usenet. If you are not willing to > use a Newsreader, it makes me wonder wether you are serious about the > whole thing. Which means wether I should even bother to answer your > questions. So there YOU loose out. Yes, I would lose out. But wouldn't you also lose out if you filter out all that traffic. Some of it may be worthwhile, you never know. It has nothing to do with not being" willing." In fact, I love Knode and would like nothing better than to use it exclusively. We can't always get what we want. > Because of you defending it, it means more people will start using it, > kiling Usenet slowly and turning it into webforums. I know what you are saying here, but we can't turn back the clock. True Usenet used to be a very small community of cool folks. Now it's a much larger community of mostly cool folks, some jerks and a lot of spam. That is a somewhat a loss, but I don't think we can put the entire blame on GG. At some point, the masses would have turned on to it and that's not all bad. AOL users were the first. Nothing to do with GG there. > > If you like webforums, please visit those. There are some fantastic ones > about openSUSE, or so I have been told. They are not bad, actually, but I still think it is silly to try to kick me out just because I am using GG. I don't think I'm polluting the atmosphere all that much with my posts. Tom
From: Moe Trin on 8 Apr 2008 16:03
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.suse, in article <0e3a8b57-b3f6-4faf-b9f1-074c99a4ce35(a)1g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Tom F. wrote: NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server. >However, now you are going overboard. It is unrealistic for some >people to use a news reader at work, Linux or whatever else. If you >can work in Linux without anyone being the wiser, more power to you. At work, you use the system provided. Altering the system can lead to problems. >Some of us have to use a web browser to read Usenet at work. That's >just the way it is. If you need access to news as part of your job, discuss it with The Powers That Be, and use a real news server. If you are not accessing Usenet as a part of your job, why are you accessing it? You don that at home where you are allowed to do whatever. At work on the other hand... Old guy |