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From: Tom F. on 8 Apr 2008 16:57 Ok, I set up Aioe.org at least for at home. I might get this up at work too, we'll see. -- Tom
From: houghi on 8 Apr 2008 17:24 Tom F. wrote: > In fact, you have some good points, however I just am not convinced > that GG is the evil entity you make it out to be. I switch between at > least 3 computers per day, and I only administrate one of them. GG > lets me keep up with things where ever I am. That is a convenience. > It's a lot better than ssh to my home box. No, it isn't. >> > GG serves legitimate users and serves a need -- or it wouldn't exist. >> >> That does not mean that it is a good idea and should be used. The same >> can be said for Windows, for the RIAA, for patent trolls and many other >> things. > > Hard to argue when you put it that way, but Google is not MS or RIAA. There are other things in existence that are used and still a stupid idea. Bottled still water is another one. >> Yes, it is. It sucks big time and instead of only bothering the people >> using it, it also bothers the rest of Usenet. For one, they make it hard >> to understand that Usenet thread is a tree structure and not a line. >> This influence how people react to postings. > I'm looking at the tree structure right now. You should check GG out > before you presume too much. The standard is not a tree. Many people will keep using that. >> The second thing is that it makes it diffcult for the user to quote >> correctly and that user often does not even understand what correct >> quoting is. > That's a user issue. I've been quoting correctly, haven't I? GG is not > really standing in my way. I was hoping you would say that. The fact that Google makes it hard is a Google issue, not a user issue. > Yes, I would lose out. But wouldn't you also lose out if you filter > out all that traffic. Some of it may be worthwhile, you never know. I have been looking at Google postings long enough to know I am not loosing out. People who have something to contribute will use the proper tools. > It has nothing to do with not being" willing." In fact, I love Knode > and would like nothing better than to use it exclusively. We can't > always get what we want. Yes you can. I have been in situations where I was unable to use Usenet. You know what I did? I did not went to Google or any other HTML based thing. I waited till I was able to use the correct tool. >> Because of you defending it, it means more people will start using it, >> kiling Usenet slowly and turning it into webforums. > I know what you are saying here, but we can't turn back the clock. That is no reason to use the wrong tool. > True Usenet used to be a very small community of cool folks. Now it's > a much larger community of mostly cool folks, some jerks and a lot of > spam. That is a somewhat a loss, but I don't think we can put the > entire blame on GG. Who is blaming GG entirely? Not me. They are just helping. Does that make it any less bad> No. Look what they did to DejaNews.com > At some point, the masses would have turned on to > it and that's not all bad. AOL users were the first. Nothing to do > with GG there. AOL users did not destroy Usenet, nor were they even close to killing it. Outlook Express came a lot closer. >> >> If you like webforums, please visit those. There are some fantastic ones >> about openSUSE, or so I have been told. > They are not bad, actually, but I still think it is silly to try to > kick me out just because I am using GG. I don't think I'm polluting > the atmosphere all that much with my posts. I do not want to kick anybody out. I want people to use the proper tools, even if that means waiting several hours before you can post. houghi -- This was written under the influence of the following: | Artist : Art of Noise | Song : Slip Of The Tongue | Album : In Visible Silence
From: houghi on 8 Apr 2008 17:27 Tom F. wrote: > Ok, I set up Aioe.org at least for at home. > > I might get this up at work too, we'll see. The servers I use: root(a)penne : grep ^server /etc/leafnode/config|awk '{print $NF}' news.cnntp.org news.motzarella.org news.albasani.net news.sunsite.dk newszilla.xs4all.nl news.xs4all.nl news.gmane.org fb1.euro.net news.readfreenews.net nntp.aioe.org news.x-privat.org news.news4us.nl Some are free, others are not. houghi -- This was written under the influence of the following: | Artist : Art of Noise | Song : Peter Gunn | Album : In Visible Silence
From: Darrell Stec on 8 Apr 2008 17:37 Tom F. wrote: > On Apr 8, 2:25 pm, houghi <hou...(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: >> > You are the one having conniptions over a news reader. >> >> Google Groups is not a news reader. > Haha. OK, you got me on that one. > >> > The details of one particular situation doesn't really matter. >> >> Yes, it does. Always a pity if people do not want to go into those >> details. Sure sounds as if you agree with me and just are afraid to >> admit it. > In fact, you have some good points, however I just am not convinced > that GG is the evil entity you make it out to be. I switch between at > least 3 computers per day, and I only administrate one of them. GG > lets me keep up with things where ever I am. That is a convenience. > It's a lot better than ssh to my home box. > I don't agree with that. In fact I carry the NoMachine clients on a USB memory stick just so I can use a real newsreader and email reader. That way I have a copy of all my posts and can keep track of what I have already read. > > Tom -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Tom F on 9 Apr 2008 21:24
houghi wrote: > > The servers I use: > root(a)penne : grep ^server /etc/leafnode/config|awk '{print $NF}' That's a good list Houghi, thanks. It's working well at home, but I still can't get a newsreader running from behind my firewall at work, even with port 80 to Aioe! Can't figure it out. :( -- Tom |