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From: Harold Stevens on 9 Apr 2008 22:02
In <ftjq3f$6l2$1(a)registered.motzarella.org> Tom F:

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> behind my firewall at work, even with port 80 to Aioe

Probably nothing to do with port 80; that's HTTP (not NNTP) by default. It
seems more to me like allowing NNTP on your company's proxy servers. Since
it works at home, it should work by default at work (unless it needs proxy
or firewall tweaking at work).

Corporates are sometimes reluctant to provide NNTP on their intranets. But
in reality, promiscuous browsing and email are IMO generally a MUCH larger
security risk than Usenet. Most clued IT staff understand this.

FWIW: I worked at a large US DOD firm and never had any problems on Usenet
at work; it was allowed on proxy servers from gitgo (with email, etc.).

Justification was business: computer/software newsgroups in particular.

(I'd check your IT staff and see if they have even heard of Usenet/NNTP)

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From: houghi on 10 Apr 2008 03:54
Tom F. wrote:
> I understand what all you guys are saying. I do have sympathy for the
> argument. But on the other hand, Web portals don't kill Usenet, people
> kill Usenet.

Semantics.

> I'm in a situation where it is very convenient for me to use GG. It is
> silly for me to jump through hoops just to be with the in crowd,
> though I did try. If I could come up with a better solution, I would,
> but I'm currently out of realistic options.

So because of YOUR convinience many others need to suffer and endure the
GG postings. A very realistic option is to either ask your employer to
open up to Usenet or do it at home.
If your boss does not want that, then he is of the opinion that youi do
not need it.

I asked my company for a tool that would have saved them money, yet they
were not willing to give it. So now I do without it, loosing valuable
company time. Their loss, not mine. I get payed by the hour/week/month.

> I have no doubt you are right about that, and hopefully the situation
> will improve in the future. This has been a trend for a long time.
> When did the September that never ends start? 1993?

It has ended. See the article on Wikipedia (too lazy to look it up
myself)

> The bottom line is, I'm still the same guy making the same posts,
> whether I use NNTP or the HTTP. So in my very small way, I'm improving
> the signal to noise ratio (I hope). Certainly, I have no evil
> intentions, yet I've been told I should wait several hours before I
> post so I may do it properly. That's just not realistic. See a post,
> respond to a post. That's how the normal mind works. I have to hold my
> response in my mind for hours because I'm not at my home computer?
> Seems a little silly to me.

You are spreading the idea that using Google is a good idea and although
you yourself might be dfoing things in a good way, you also attract
others to use it and they will do it in a bad way.

> So, I'll post with the "proper" tool when I can, and GG when I must.
> It's a pity some of you will never see those posts, but so be it.

What is this "must" you talk about? Is somebody holding a gun to your
head? Is it an urge you can not stop? What is it that you "must" post
something?

houghi
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From: houghi on 10 Apr 2008 03:42
Harold Stevens wrote:
> Corporates are sometimes reluctant to provide NNTP on their intranets. But
> in reality, promiscuous browsing and email are IMO generally a MUCH larger
> security risk than Usenet. Most clued IT staff understand this.

I have seen the most idiotic 'security' in different companies. The real
secure ones were never the most strict ones. I have seen people blocking
hotmail. Yahoo the next day. Google mauil the next ...

> (I'd check your IT staff and see if they have even heard of Usenet/NNTP)

Either they will think you are an idiot, because you disturb them with
such an obvious question or they think you are more knowledgeble then
they are and thus a security risk.
Both will result in no access.

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From: Tom F. on 10 Apr 2008 05:14
On Apr 10, 3:54 am, houghi <hou...(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> So because of YOUR convinience many others need to suffer and endure the
> GG postings.

My posts and myself are not causing anyone to suffer, I hope. I'm not
causing anyone to endure anything -- except my prose. My posts would,
except for the header, be identical, regardless of how I posted them.

> You are spreading the idea that using Google is a good idea

Come on, Houghi, I'm not "promoting" anything. I am using (and not
misusing) a tool. That's it man. I never particularly intended to
defend GG, I was just defending myself as I felt under attack.

> and although
> you yourself might be dfoing things in a good way, you also attract
> others to use it and they will do it in a bad way.

Thanks for saying I'm doing things in a good way. I'm happy to get at
least that from you.

> What is this "must" you talk about? Is somebody holding a gun to your
> head? Is it an urge you can not stop? What is it that you "must" post
> something?

Now who's trifling with semantics? OK, when I feel like posting, I
will. I don't really think this is particularly antisocial behavior.

> > When did the September that never ends start? 1993?
>
> It has ended. See the article on Wikipedia (too lazy to look it up
> myself)

Don't know what you are talking about here. That's not my
understanding of the concept and the Wikipedia article doesn't seem to
support your view, unless I'm missing something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Tom
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