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From: mm on 12 Apr 2008 21:27
Hi,

I'm in the middle of writing a post about the old Mac laptop i posted
about earlier. In short, I had the browser working for a half hour
and then I had to go out.

Now, a couple days later, I wanted to use it some more. With the
browser, iCab, I'm getting a Network error #3221. Netscape isn't
doing anything, but I hadn't tried it before.

So to compare I plugged in my own laptop, an IBM Thinkpad 600E, and
tried it. I can get my eamil, although it got interrupted once and
didn't finish until the second try. There was 4 days of email and it
retrieved it all. But I have about 15 tabs open in Firefox, and I
only retrieved one of them.

A) I can understand that email (which comes from my old ISP) might
work, and browsing (which comes from Verizon) might not, at the same
time. I can even understand if they came from the same ISP. (I had
that several times)

B) What I don't understand is, How can the Firefox browser on my desk
computer work, and the Firefox browser (same version) on my laptop not
work? I know I have a wireless connection because I can get email.
(and the wireless program in my laptop says I have 100% link and 100%
signal strength.

C) My friend's laptop is five feet farther away now, but when it was
next to my router, I had a 75% connection. Now its about 50%. Is
that too weak? It's new to user Orinoco Wavelan wireless card and is
about 6 or 8 years old and has a jack for an antenna. Do I need one?
(Can I make my own, like I do with TV? There is no time left to go
buy one.) I would like to compare the browser with email, but setting
up the email seems like more trouble than it's worth. And it worked
for a while.

Both wireless cards are b, although the router sends b and g.

(I myself have a g card too, but the software needs to be
reinstalled.)

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
From: LR on 13 Apr 2008 05:21
mm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm in the middle of writing a post about the old Mac laptop i posted
> about earlier. In short, I had the browser working for a half hour
> and then I had to go out.

> C) My friend's laptop is five feet farther away now, but when it was
> next to my router, I had a 75% connection. Now its about 50%. Is
> that too weak? It's new to user Orinoco Wavelan wireless card and is
> about 6 or 8 years old and has a jack for an antenna. Do I need one?
> (Can I make my own, like I do with TV? There is no time left to go
> buy one.) I would like to compare the browser with email, but setting
> up the email seems like more trouble than it's worth. And it worked
> for a while.
>
> Both wireless cards are b, although the router sends b and g.
Are you sure the Wavelan is 802.11b as some of the early ones were built
prior to the 802.11b standard. e.g PC24E-H-FC FCCID IMRWLPCE24H
From: "Mr. Arnold" MR. on 13 Apr 2008 08:37

"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:vom20416g3fq009i3e0a94f7vas1qj5svn(a)4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> B) What I don't understand is, How can the Firefox browser on my desk
> computer work, and the Firefox browser (same version) on my laptop not
> work? I know I have a wireless connection because I can get email.
> (and the wireless program in my laptop says I have 100% link and 100%
> signal strength.
>

They have different settings in someway. Have you tried a different browser
and the problem follows?

From: mm on 13 Apr 2008 12:30
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:21:41 +0100, LR <lrme(a)privacy.net> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm in the middle of writing a post about the old Mac laptop i posted
>> about earlier. In short, I had the browser working for a half hour
>> and then I had to go out.
>
>> C) My friend's laptop is five feet farther away now, but when it was
>> next to my router, I had a 75% connection. Now its about 50%. Is
>> that too weak? It's new to user Orinoco Wavelan wireless card and is
>> about 6 or 8 years old and has a jack for an antenna. Do I need one?
>> (Can I make my own, like I do with TV? There is no time left to go
>> buy one.) I would like to compare the browser with email, but setting
>> up the email seems like more trouble than it's worth. And it worked
>> for a while.
>>
>> Both wireless cards are b, although the router sends b and g.
>Are you sure the Wavelan is 802.11b as some of the early ones were built
>prior to the 802.11b standard. e.g PC24E-H-FC FCCID IMRWLPCE24H

I checked again, and it says Supports IEEE802.11b High Rate
2.4GHz DSSS


For the record:
With a S/N, T/N, SP#, AS#, and MAC address and FCC ID.

It says Encryption: 128RC4, but my network doesn't use encryption,
only Mac filtering and I turned that off.

It's actually labelled by Compaq, but the vendor's ad showed pictures
of several brands, all the same thing he said.

It says Agere Systems.

And it did retrieve a few webpages.

BTW, my own laptop FireFox is working today.

And the Orinoco software installed without trouble and shows the 75 or
50% signal strength, depending on where the laptop is sitting.

And the software shows the same list of wireless networks that my
neighbor's have, and when I select mine, it shows the MAC id of my
router.

So no wonder you suspect the protocol, since I guess that's all that's
left, but....

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
From: mm on 13 Apr 2008 13:18
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:37:39 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
Arnold(a)Arnold.com> wrote:

>
>"mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:vom20416g3fq009i3e0a94f7vas1qj5svn(a)4ax.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> B) What I don't understand is, How can the Firefox browser on my desk
>> computer work, and the Firefox browser (same version) on my laptop not
>> work? I know I have a wireless connection because I can get email.
>> (and the wireless program in my laptop says I have 100% link and 100%
>> signal strength.
>>
>
>They have different settings in someway. Have you tried a different browser
>and the problem follows?

I didn't try any other, but I was going to after I read your post, but
I started the laptop and tried FireFox and it works fine now.

So confusing, and frustrating. And so time-consuming when I'm trying
to test.

So I tried my friend's macintosh, both iCab and Netscape 7 and
neither work. (I think Netsape was already on the computer when I
bought it.)


I wonder if this is relevant. In order to recheck if the car was 11b,
i stopped the relevant software, Orinoco, and ejected the card. I
looked at the card and put it in again, and tried to restart Orinoco,
and I got a message that the card or a driver was missing. I had
afaik downloaded the relevant drivers and installed them already
(details if you need them.)

So I restarted the whole computer and the Orinoco software starts fine
and shows a 55% signal strength. When I hold it right next to the
router, it shows 90% but still didn't load the page.

If you are inclined to email me
for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-)
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