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From: loki harfagr on 19 Apr 2008 05:34
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:38:05 +0200, marksouth wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0200, Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>
>> Someone wrote :
>>
>>> So will Pat Volkerding ever replace Xine with Mplayer?
>>
>> Never. MPlayer uses codecs wich have some major issues with copyright.
>
> Well, Xine will play Flash videos, what's the copyright/patent status of
> those?

the status of Flash videos is "don't", they're mostly
badly b0rken unindexed avifiles and their only possible fate if
you *really* need to see one (in a million) is to
defang and correct them through ffmeg.
Flash videos should be shot at sight, so their legal status
is really a second hand itch.
From: Damjan on 19 Apr 2008 12:33
>> So will Pat Volkerding ever replace Xine with Mplayer?
>
> Never. MPlayer uses codecs wich have some major issues with copyright.

like what?

maybe some codecs have issues with software patents, but software patents
are not recognized in all jurisdictions.

--
damjan
From: marksouth on 19 Apr 2008 17:05
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:34:15 +0000, loki harfagr wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:38:05 +0200, marksouth wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0200, Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>>
>>> Someone wrote :
>>>
>>>> So will Pat Volkerding ever replace Xine with Mplayer?
>>>
>>> Never. MPlayer uses codecs wich have some major issues with copyright.
>>
>> Well, Xine will play Flash videos, what's the copyright/patent status
>> of those?
>
> the status of Flash videos is "don't", they're mostly
> badly b0rken unindexed avifiles and their only possible fate if you
> *really* need to see one (in a million) is to defang and correct them
> through ffmeg.

Read it again, that is not the issue.

> Flash videos should be shot at sight, so their legal status
> is really a second hand itch.

No, the question for Thomas is why Xine is OK and mplayer isn't, when
they both play legally encumbered codecs.
From: Thomas Overgaard on 19 Apr 2008 17:19

Damjan wrote :

> maybe some codecs have issues with software patents, but software
> patents are not recognized in all jurisdictions.

Thats probably why the MPlayer site has .hu as TLD.

But Patrick Volkerding is quite eager to avoid any of these issues in
Slackware, no matter if its only a issue in the U.S of A.
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.
From: loki harfagr on 19 Apr 2008 18:35
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:05:04 +0200, marksouth wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:34:15 +0000, loki harfagr wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:38:05 +0200, marksouth wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0200, Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Someone wrote :
>>>>
>>>>> So will Pat Volkerding ever replace Xine with Mplayer?
>>>>
>>>> Never. MPlayer uses codecs wich have some major issues with
>>>> copyright.
>>>
>>> Well, Xine will play Flash videos, what's the copyright/patent status
>>> of those?
>>
>> the status of Flash videos is "don't", they're mostly
>> badly b0rken unindexed avifiles and their only possible fate if you
>> *really* need to see one (in a million) is to defang and correct them
>> through ffmeg.
>
> Read it again, that is not the issue.

if you concentrate on Thomas question then that's right
but that's just because that's not the proper question :-)


>> Flash videos should be shot at sight, so their legal status
>> is really a second hand itch.
>
> No, the question for Thomas is why Xine is OK and mplayer isn't, when
> they both play legally encumbered codecs.

And still I think that's wrong, I'd say that MPlayer doesn't
"naturally" use codecs with (c) issues, that it is *capable* is a
different question and Xine is quite *capable* as well to
behave that way (and so it does with DVDs).
My point, and I know some may read it bad, is that when "stuff"
is made just to contrive "people" to act some way then that "stuff"
has to die or these "people" will.
Once upon a time there existed "stuff" like IFrames, you can barely
see them but in sites where no one goes (except when caught thru a
Trojan slam).
Once upon a time there was something called DRM, it is but
a distant echo of a laughter when you listen very closely to
a 360KB floppy-disk cooked in a microwave oven.
Mistakes do die, like every other, and it is the duty of every
awaken people to help the world to be safe with mistakes, that's
a long trip and an everlasting chore but it is a grace,
the only human grace.
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