From: Phil Pishioneri on
On 7/30/10 2:11 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> Your Mac has a perfectly functional CIFS client,

It didn't, at one point. Some version of Mac OS X would cause a client
kernel crash when unmounting the CIFS share. I think it's been fixed,
but we had to have some OS X clients switch to NFS because of it.

-Phil
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From: Jan Engelhardt on

On Saturday 2010-07-31 20:41, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>On 2010-07-30, at 12:11, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>> Your Mac has a perfectly functional CIFS client, as do your Linux boxes.
>> They both interoperate just fine with Samba, and would presumably
>> continue to do so if someone were to decide to reuse the ctime field on
>> your Samba box as storage for a create time.
>
>CIFS doesn't support symlinks (they just appear as the referenced
>file), so I've had applications that scan the filesystem recurse
>indefinitely due to symlinked directories on a CIFS share appearing
>as hard-linked directories on the client. This doesn't happen when
>the filesystem is accessed via NFS.

This shouldn't go on indefinitely - PATH_MAX is reached at some point.
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From: Jan Engelhardt on

On Saturday 2010-07-31 21:03, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 12:41 -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>> On 2010-07-30, at 12:11, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>> > Your Mac has a perfectly functional CIFS client, as do your Linux boxes.
>> > They both interoperate just fine with Samba, and would presumably
>> > continue to do so if someone were to decide to reuse the ctime field on
>> > your Samba box as storage for a create time.
>>
>> CIFS doesn't support symlinks (they just appear as the referenced file), so I've had applications that scan the filesystem recurse indefinitely due to symlinked directories on a CIFS share appearing as hard-linked directories on the client. This doesn't happen when the filesystem is accessed via NFS.
>
>Sigh... So please explain how it would be useful to export that
>particular filesystem through _both_ CIFS and NFS?

Seems like a reasonable case for, say, a public "ftp server". For
example, I keep ftp5.gwdg.de:/ftp/pub mounted, that's a little more
convenient than always having to start an ftp cilent.

Conversely, since NFS is, well, non-existent on Windows, one would
use CIFS there (had it ftp5 opened) to get the same convenience.
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From: Steve French on
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Jeremy Allison <jra(a)samba.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:54:32AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 06:05:01AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote:
>> > We don't need to ape Windows in everything.
>> > The coming ACL disaster will show that (we will go from an ACL
>> > model that is slightly too complex to use, to one that is impossibly
>> > complex to use :-).
>>
>> Care to elaborate?
>
> POSIX ACLs -> RichACLs (NT-style). Not criticising Andreas here,
> people are asking for this. But Windows ACLs are a nightmare
> beyond human comprehension :-). In the "too complex to be
> usable" camp.

Not much choice - even community colleges now have
to teach students about this ACL model in their sysadmin courses.

>> And what would native ACL support mean for Samba?
>
> RichACLs'll do it, but I feel sorry for the admins :-).

Yes - RichACLs and Windows ACLs allow you to set
some strange combinations of permssion bits.
RichACLs will make a more natural mapping for
Samba and NFSv4 - and it is far too late to
remove the requirement for Windows and
MacOS (among other clients) support.



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