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From: Patty on 11 Aug 2007 14:28
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:20:34 -0700, Bird Janitor� wrote:

> I don't think it's an RMA you're needing here. Every AB9 Pro board is going
> to have the same problem you've encountered.
>
> I'll call your problem a "design challenge".
>
> I was curious, so I downloaded the Abit AB9 series manual from The
> Mothership and discover that the SATA8, SATA9 and IDE1 connectors utilize
> the JMicron controller.
>
> In looking at section 4.11 of the manual, I read the following:
>
> [quote]
> This procedure is necessary if there is access to the devices connected to
> connectors "SATA8", "SATA9", and "IDE1" during the OS installation:
>
> 1. Prepare a 3.5" floppy disk drive and connect it to "FDC1" connector on
> this motherboard.
>
> 2. Start install operating system.
>
> 3. Insert this driver disk into floppy disk drive when the screen
> instruction prompts you to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver.
>
> 4. Press <F6> key, and then follow the screen instruction to complete the
> installation.
>
> * This procedure is particularly necessary when you want to install
> operating system from a CD-ROM drive connected through connectors "SATA8",
> "SATA9", or "IDE1".
>
> [/quote]
>
> Obviously a driver is needed by the Windows Text Setup phase to even
> identify that there is an optical drive connected to anything connected to
> the JMicron controller.
>
> I'm scratching my head as to how to do this because there's no ability to
> press [F6] *prior* to starting the Windows install.
>
> I'm wondering if you could create your JMicron driver diskette when booted
> to the Abit CD then exit from the Abit utility program to a DOS prompt (I'm
> assuming you're booted to a DOS environment with this CD, obviously).
>
> If you can get out to a DOS prompt you could then swap to your Windows
> install CD and run the setup program to start the Windows Text Setup phase
> a-running. Press [F6] when prompted and have your JMicron driver diskette
> in the drive. You may have to search around on the Windows CD to find the
> NTSETUP.EXE program, as I believe you need to be booted to a mini-Windows
> environment in order to use the GUI Text Setup version that normally
> autoruns.
>
> Alternatively you could browse around on the Abit CD, looking for a
> Config.sys and Autoexec.bat file to identify the driver needed for the
> JMicron controller (and its associated DOS driver files). Copy all this
> stuff to a DOS boot diskette and follow my above instructions to run
> NTSETUP.EXE on your Windows CD when booted to this diskette.
>
> As a fallback, pay a visit to Abit's peer-to-peer support forum at
> http://forum.uabit.com for help.
>
> Hopefully I've helped here. It's been a bit of a head-scratcher as I
> haven't built a system which needs a 3rd-party driver for the onboard IDE
> channels.
>
> Jef

But, Jef, the OP said that he had an ide optical drive, not an SATA
(although he also said he had an ide floppy drive and well, floppy drives
have never run from ide as far as I know):

> I have a new Abit AB9 pro mobo. I have 1 sata drive installed and an
> ide floppy & ide optical drive as well as a 256mb ait graphics. 4gb
> ram and an E6850 processor.

So, if the motherboard will not boot to the optical drive, some
instructions for installing XP from DOS using a Windows98 boot disk can be
found here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307848/en-us

Or, you can also find out how to obtain Windows XP setup disks here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310994/

Why his motherboard won't just boot to the ide optical drive, I don't know.
Perhaps an issue with the BIOS recognizing the drive?

Patty
From: Patty on 11 Aug 2007 14:53
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:20:34 -0700, Bird Janitor� wrote:

> Hopefully I've helped here. It's been a bit of a head-scratcher as I
> haven't built a system which needs a 3rd-party driver for the onboard IDE
> channels.
>
> Jef

I just looked at the manual. IF he has an IDE CD-ROM he has to make sure
he doesn't set the boot for SATA CD-ROM (shown in the picture). It'll
never work that way. He must make sure he sets it to boot from the IDE
CD-ROM.

Patty
From: Bird Janitor� on 11 Aug 2007 15:01
Patty wrote:
|
| But, Jef, the OP said that he had an ide optical drive, not an
| SATA (although he also said he had an ide floppy drive and
| well, floppy drives have never run from ide as far as I know):
|

Hi Patty -

I was reading about on the Abit forum that others have problems booting from
certain optical drives on the JMicron controller and it was necessary to get
the driver for the controller loaded before being able to start the Text
Setup Phase of the Windows install.

Buff, on another forum, opined that this may be similar to early SATA
drives, which would only work on the Intel SATA controller.

| So, if the motherboard will not boot to the optical drive, some
| instructions for installing XP from DOS using a Windows98 boot
| disk can be found here:
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307848/en-us
|
| Or, you can also find out how to obtain Windows XP setup disks
| here:
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310994/
|
| Why his motherboard won't just boot to the ide optical drive, I don't
| know. Perhaps an issue with the BIOS recognizing the drive?
|

Good idea to use the XP setup disks. It would still be necessary to alter
the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files to include the DOS driver for the
JMicron controller in order for the computer to see certain optical drives
connected to the JMicron IDE controller. It would also be necessary to
enable the controller for IDE mode in the BIOS before even embarking on the
adventure.

There are also numerous BIOS updates for the board, including mention to
pick up the newer JMicron driver at http://www.abit.com.tw (where there is
also a link to the newer driver).

Jef


From: Bird Janitor� on 11 Aug 2007 15:07
Patty wrote:
|
| I just looked at the manual. IF he has an IDE CD-ROM he has to
| make sure he doesn't set the boot for SATA CD-ROM (shown in the
| picture). It'll never work that way. He must make sure he sets it to
| boot from the IDE CD-ROM.
|

Another good point Patty.

Fast forward to section 4.11 of the manual I quoted in my first post on this
thread:

[quote]
This procedure is particularly necessary when you want to install operating
system from a CD-ROM drive connected through connectors "SATA8", "SATA9", or
"IDE1".
[/quote]

These be the JMicron controller where a driver is necessary.

I was reading further that the chipset that the AB9 is built upon doesn't
have the legacy IDE controller present and a 3rd-party solution was made by
a number of motherboard manufacturers to provide this.

As I started out in this thread, I'm scratching my head on the issue and
only posted that an RMA probably wasn't necessary because others have had
fun hoop-jumping in order to get Windows installed on this board.

Jef


From: Patty on 11 Aug 2007 15:24
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:07:23 GMT, Bird Janitor� wrote:

> Patty wrote:
>|
>| I just looked at the manual. IF he has an IDE CD-ROM he has to
>| make sure he doesn't set the boot for SATA CD-ROM (shown in the
>| picture). It'll never work that way. He must make sure he sets it to
>| boot from the IDE CD-ROM.
>|
>
> Another good point Patty.
>
> Fast forward to section 4.11 of the manual I quoted in my first post on this
> thread:
>
> [quote]
> This procedure is particularly necessary when you want to install operating
> system from a CD-ROM drive connected through connectors "SATA8", "SATA9", or
> "IDE1".
> [/quote]
>
> These be the JMicron controller where a driver is necessary.
>
> I was reading further that the chipset that the AB9 is built upon doesn't
> have the legacy IDE controller present and a 3rd-party solution was made by
> a number of motherboard manufacturers to provide this.
>
> As I started out in this thread, I'm scratching my head on the issue and
> only posted that an RMA probably wasn't necessary because others have had
> fun hoop-jumping in order to get Windows installed on this board.
>
> Jef

So, JMicron must be part of the chipset drivers? I think that Abit kind of
messed up here when they put in an IDE controller that wouldn't work on the
basic Windows IDE controller. I have an Asus board right now that may have
the opposite effect. When you upgrade to the chipset IDE drivers things
may not work properly and you have to go back to the regular XP drivers for
the IDE (although mine has worked fine except for the most recent driver
update).

The same for my NF7-S board, now that I think about it. I updated the
chipset drivers to the most recent right after installing XP and my CD-ROMS
would no longer be recognized and I had to go back to the previous version
driver.

At least being able to work off the basic XP IDE drivers would be best
though, especially for install. I agree, there may not be anything wrong
with the board, but just a quirk of the drivers.

Patty
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