From: ralph on 28 May 2010 02:19
On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:53:45 -0400, "Mike B"
>"ralph" <nt_consulting64(a)yahoo.net> wrote in message
>> On Thu, 27 May 2010 16:24:37 +0100, MM <kylix_is(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>Not since the ancient days of expanded/extended memory managers and
>>>>mixed memory modules can I remember a case where increased RAM
>>>>degraded performance. (You can reach a point of diminishing returns,
>>>>but *backwards*??? <g>)
>>>>Enjoy the adventure.
>>>Don't forget that Windows 98 doesn't 'like' 1gb of RAM! In fact, you
>>>HAVE to tweak system.ini else it won't boot.
>> I didn't know that. I haven't had a PC with less than 2gb of RAM since
>> my first 386. And certainly never used Win98 with less.
>I would've liked to see that MoBo capable of holding 2gb in 1986. Remember,
>the memory chips were press-in, not on pcboards.
>I ran my manufacturing business on a PC Limited (before it was called Dell)
>386 with 2mb of RAM and a PC-MOS operating system (multiple DOS memory
>partitions mapped to Wyse terminals).
>The TI-286 that it replaced had a 1.0mb expansion card (on top of the base
>640k) that was a $2500 option, so I'm thinking 2gb of memory then would've
>been a bank buster..
My memory may very well be faulty.
I'm trying to remember exactly what my original 386 had.
It was a custom built tower by a computer shop. It is likely I'm
confusing the number of cards, as well as megabyes with gigabytes - as
when I first got it - I vaguely remember 128k increments which were
later replaced with 258k increments. (Or was it 258s replaced by 512s
???). Anyway - the math doesn't work out. The box was huge, but not
that huge. And I had money back then, but not that much. Your "2mb"
number seems far more realistic.
I vaguely remember there were addressing issues, not all the memory
could be used directly, and it was an odd lot - that is not 2, 4, 8,
but something like 3, 5, ... . It also gets confusing since the box
was converted to a Venix workstation with additional newer hardware.
All I really remember was it had two 80mb Seagate HDs, two floppy
drives, a Colorado Tape drive, and that free CD drive MS gave away to
Consultants, and literally a rack of cards inside (a graphics card, HD
card?, a 'stacker drive' card, a sound card, memory cards, ethernet
card, ...) and the base price was $3600 (monitor, tape,
sound/speakers, not included <g>).
[And also my prized Hayes Smartmodem, which I believe was a hefty
chunk of change all by itself. <g>]
So yeah, I'll agree with you - I'm probably full of it.
From: MM on 28 May 2010 03:11
On Fri, 28 May 2010 01:19:25 -0500, ralph <nt_consulting64(a)yahoo.net>
>My memory may very well be faulty.
Try Kingston. It's always worked for me... ;)
From: ralph on 28 May 2010 08:49
On Fri, 28 May 2010 08:11:42 +0100, MM <kylix_is(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 28 May 2010 01:19:25 -0500, ralph <nt_consulting64(a)yahoo.net>
>>My memory may very well be faulty.
>Try Kingston. It's always worked for me... ;)
From: Mike B on 28 May 2010 10:00
"MM" <kylix_is(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 01:19:25 -0500, ralph <nt_consulting64(a)yahoo.net>
>>My memory may very well be faulty.
> Try Kingston. It's always worked for me... ;)
Yeah, these days, were it only true you could do that....
From: Jim Carlock on 31 May 2010 13:50
"Helmut Meukel" <Helmut_Meukel(a)NoProvider.de> wrote:
: I *do* remember such cases. There was an Intel chip-set which didn't
: buffer all memory. Increasing memory degraded memory performance.
And then the BIOS settings needed to get fiddled with. 80ns, 60ns and
so one with perhaps 120ns memory chips needed some attention. I think
the timing specifications went up to perhaps 180ns or 240ns even, just
depending upon how far back you want to gander.
I am thinking back to the early- to mid-1990s at this moment when I
worked for a computer store and was calling people in China looking
to buy memory directly from China (or rather that little island that
the British owned(?) -> Hong Kong).
Windows 3.x ran on various versions of DOS (some not owned by MS).
Sales people pushed a wide variety of memory managers back then, both
for "extended" memory and the "expanded" memory managers. I stayed
away from anything that dealt with "expanded" memory. I always ended
up with too many head aches from trying to get "expanded" memory to