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From: cjw on 17 May 2010 10:57
On 16-May-10 12:47 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2010-05-16, cjw<cjw(a)ncf.ca> wrote:
>>> On 16-May-10 01:31 AM, James Mills wrote:
>>>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Aahz<aahz(a)pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>>>>> It's also at least partly due to problems with mail<->news gateways
>>>>> and
>>>>> the differing fields used to maintain threading.
>>>>
>>>> Some blame goes on MUAs too :)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the responses.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to connect a newsreader to gmane?
>>
>> nntp://news.gmane.org/
>>
>
> Could someone please explain how to subscribe to this list on gmane. I
> subscribe to a couple of other groups there but can't find this one.
>
> Regards, Jim

With Thunderbird, you need to set up a new account:

Tools => AccountSettings => Account Actions => Add another account.

=> News Group Account => Next

From there, it's a matter of filling in the blanks.

The news server is "news.gmane.org".

I'm just trying it.

Colin W,
From: Tim Chase on 18 May 2010 19:27
On 05/15/2010 05:34 PM, cjw wrote:
> It seems that messages are coming from a number of sources, such as
> gmane and google groups.
>
> The problem is that many messages seem to get unlinked from their threads.
>
> I use Thunderbird 3.0.5 and wonder whether the problem lies with the
> merge process, the server or my reader.

While others have told you about using gmane or other sources
(direct email, etc), I haven't seen anything fly by regarding the
"unlinked from their threads" portion of your question.
Thunderbird 2.0 -> 3.0 changed the default value for
mail.strict_threading from False to True. Pulling up the config
editor (essentially the about:config, buried in the
options->advanced stuff, I think; or perhaps I have the
"about:config" plugin to do that) allows you to toggle this value
back to "True". This setting controls whether threads are
defined *only* by the mail header (strict=True), or whether TB
also tries to guess based on the Subject header (strict=False).

Toggle it (and perhaps restart TB?) and see if that helps rectify
the threading. There are a lot of folks here on c.l.p that use
broken newsreaders that don't correctly set news/threading headers.

-tkc



From: Terry Reedy on 18 May 2010 22:28
On 5/18/2010 7:27 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 05:34 PM, cjw wrote:
>> It seems that messages are coming from a number of sources, such as
>> gmane and google groups.
>>
>> The problem is that many messages seem to get unlinked from their
>> threads.
>>
>> I use Thunderbird 3.0.5 and wonder whether the problem lies with the
>> merge process, the server or my reader.
>
> While others have told you about using gmane or other sources (direct
> email, etc), I haven't seen anything fly by regarding the "unlinked from
> their threads" portion of your question. Thunderbird 2.0 -> 3.0 changed
> the default value for mail.strict_threading from False to True. Pulling
> up the config editor (essentially the about:config, buried in the
> options->advanced stuff, I think; or perhaps I have the "about:config"
> plugin to do that) allows you to toggle this value back to "True". This
> setting controls whether threads are defined *only* by the mail header
> (strict=True), or whether TB also tries to guess based on the Subject
> header (strict=False).

I solved the problem for me, well enough, by sorting threads by subject
instead of 'Date' (actually, time) so that disconnect threads sort
together anyway.

From: cjw on 19 May 2010 13:19
On 18-May-10 19:27 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 05:34 PM, cjw wrote:
>> It seems that messages are coming from a number of sources, such as
>> gmane and google groups.
>>
>> The problem is that many messages seem to get unlinked from their
>> threads.
>>
>> I use Thunderbird 3.0.5 and wonder whether the problem lies with the
>> merge process, the server or my reader.
>
> While others have told you about using gmane or other sources (direct
> email, etc), I haven't seen anything fly by regarding the "unlinked from
> their threads" portion of your question. Thunderbird 2.0 -> 3.0 changed
> the default value for mail.strict_threading from False to True. Pulling
> up the config editor (essentially the about:config, buried in the
> options->advanced stuff, I think; or perhaps I have the "about:config"
> plugin to do that) allows you to toggle this value back to "True". This
> setting controls whether threads are defined *only* by the mail header
> (strict=True), or whether TB also tries to guess based on the Subject
> header (strict=False).
>
> Toggle it (and perhaps restart TB?) and see if that helps rectify the
> threading. There are a lot of folks here on c.l.p that use broken
> newsreaders that don't correctly set news/threading headers.
>
> -tkc
>
>
>
Thanks, mine is already set to "true".

Colin W.
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