Are Updates dangerous!
in [Windows XP]
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From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 14 Feb 2010 11:28 FUD 20100214 wrote: > Yes I can confidently say that M$ updates are a complete and utter waste > of > time. They are an added extra and are optional. > > If you have Windows XP with SP3 installed then you would be completely > protected if you follow the following: > > 1) In Windows firewall settings, In the General Tab, make sure ON is > ticked > and also "Don't allow exceptions" is ticked > > 2) On exceptions tab, remove tabs against everything; You don't need to > allow any exceptions; > > 3) On Advanced tab, click on Restore default button. > > Ideally you should start with 3, then 2 and then 1. Although in 1 you > have > disallowed all exceptions, I wouldn't trust it because I have come across > circumstances where M$ software failed horribly. > > I have not installed any updates post SP3 and have no intentions of > installing any of them. > > hth > > "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message > news:%23xpodq%23qKHA.5896(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I have win xp pro sp3 >> >> I lived in a remote area without internet access so never did any updates >> other than the service packs, no internet no threats :-) >> I now have broadband and am fully up to date with all Microsoft updates. >> >> However this latest problem with KB977165 has really scared me. I am not >> too happy about using the recovery tool and how would I have found out >> the >> solution anyway without a pc to access the Internet? ( I am still in a >> remote area with no other pc's around ) >> >> So I have a couple of questions for the experts here. >> >> Firstly, why did my update install perfectly when so many others had this >> huge problem? Was I just lucky? >> >> Has this kind of thing happened before with bad updates? >> >> Can I feel safe in downloading these updates automatically. >> >> I would feel much better if you guys could give me the benefit of your >> experience. >> >> TIA
From: Sanford Aranoff on 14 Feb 2010 21:13 20100214 wrote: > > Yes I can confidently say that M$ updates are a complete and utter waste of > time. They are an added extra and are optional. > > If you have Windows XP with SP3 installed then you would be completely > protected if you follow the following: > > 1) In Windows firewall settings, In the General Tab, make sure ON is ticked > and also "Don't allow exceptions" is ticked > > 2) On exceptions tab, remove tabs against everything; You don't need to > allow any exceptions; > > 3) On Advanced tab, click on Restore default button. > > Ideally you should start with 3, then 2 and then 1. Although in 1 you have > disallowed all exceptions, I wouldn't trust it because I have come across > circumstances where M$ software failed horribly. > > I have not installed any updates post SP3 and have no intentions of > installing any of them. Makes sense. I did as you suggested. Any comments? Do we need security updates if we have good AV and anti-Spy? What are the drawbacks that you can think of? How do you respond to the comment FUD?
From: 20100215 on 15 Feb 2010 05:41 "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff(a)analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message news:4B78ADCA.686357FE(a)analysis-knowledge.com... > 20100214 wrote: >> > > Makes sense. I did as you suggested. Any comments? Do we > need security updates if we have good AV and anti-Spy? What > are the drawbacks that you can think of? How do you respond > to the comment FUD? No. If you have updated Anti-Virus (AVG, AVAST or MSE) and Windows Defender you are well protected. AVG and Windows Defender doesn't work in tandem so avoid AVG. I have MSE, Windows Defender and Avast on my system. I have stopped all updates (Turn off Automatic Updates) coming to my system. Only the Anti-Virus and Windows defender gets through my firewall protection. I have replied to FUD comment separately to pig-bear directly. Pig-Bear and me are not completely compatible so just ignore him. hth
From: Sanford Aranoff on 15 Feb 2010 15:45 20100215 wrote: > > "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff(a)analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message > news:4B78ADCA.686357FE(a)analysis-knowledge.com... > > 20100214 wrote: > >> > > > > Makes sense. I did as you suggested. Any comments? Do we > > need security updates if we have good AV and anti-Spy? What > > are the drawbacks that you can think of? How do you respond > > to the comment FUD? > > No. If you have updated Anti-Virus (AVG, AVAST or MSE) and Windows Defender > you are well protected. AVG and Windows Defender doesn't work in tandem so > avoid AVG. I have MSE, Windows Defender and Avast on my system. > > I have stopped all updates (Turn off Automatic Updates) coming to my system. > Only the Anti-Virus and Windows defender gets through my firewall > protection. > > I have replied to FUD comment separately to pig-bear directly. Pig-Bear and > me are not completely compatible so just ignore him. > > hth I have BitDefender AV and Webroot Anti-Spyware.
From: joe on 17 Feb 2010 12:05
And you are exactly what everone says about you. "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message news:%23Nk57XPrKHA.5896(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > He was correct-------you are paranoid. > "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message > news:uYc7ZBOrKHA.732(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> This is more of what I would have expected from you PA. I kmow you are >> heavily involved with update queries and apreciate you taking the time to >> respond. I still feel nervous about the whole update issue after this >> little hicup. >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%23$%230XoMrKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Sorry, it's been a long week in the trenches dealing with those >>> BSOD/KB977165 issues here. >>> >>>>>> Firstly, why did my update install perfectly when so many others had >>>>>> this >>>>>> huge problem? Was I just lucky? >>> >>> Luck had nothing to do with it. Practicing 'Safe Hex' did: It's >>> beginning to look like the vast majority of these BSODs were caused by >>> hijackware infections, primarily W32/Alureon-variants. >>> >>>>>> Has this kind of thing happened before with bad updates? >>> >>> If your computer's security was compromised, yes. >>> >>>>>> Can I feel safe in downloading these updates automatically. >>> >>> Very generally speaking, yes. Should you ever need assistance... >>> >>> For home users, no-charge support is available by calling 1-866-PCSAFETY >>> (and/or 1-866-234-6020 and/or 1-800-936-5700) in the United States and >>> in Canada or by contacting your local Microsoft subsidiary. There is >>> no-charge for support calls that are associated with security updates. >>> When you call, clearly state that your problem is related to a Security >>> Update and cite the update's KB number (e.g., KB999999). >>> >>> Or you can... >>> >>> Start a free Windows Update support incident request: >>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=6527 >>> >>> Consumer Security Support home page & Microsoft Update Solution Center >>> also offer support options >>> https://consumersecuritysupport.microsoft.com/ >>> http://support.microsoft.com/ph/6527#tab3 >>> >>> For more information about how to contact your local Microsoft >>> subsidiary for security update support issues, visit the International >>> Support Web site: http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx >>> -- >>> ~PA Bear >>> >>> joe wrote: >>>> What kind of response is that? >>>> >>>>> How long have you been so paranoid? >>>>> >>>>> joe wrote: >>>>>> I have win xp pro sp3 >>>>>> >>>>>> I lived in a remote area without internet access so never did any >>>>>> updates >>>>>> other than the service packs, no internet no threats :-) >>>>>> I now have broadband and am fully up to date with all Microsoft >>>>>> updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> However this latest problem with KB977165 has really scared me. I am >>>>>> not >>>>>> too >>>>>> happy about using the recovery tool and how would I have found out >>>>>> the >>>>>> solution anyway without a pc to access the Internet? ( I am still in >>>>>> a >>>>>> remote area with no other pc's around ) >>>>>> >>>>>> So I have a couple of questions for the experts here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Firstly, why did my update install perfectly when so many others had >>>>>> this >>>>>> huge problem? Was I just lucky? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has this kind of thing happened before with bad updates? >>>>>> >>>>>> Can I feel safe in downloading these updates automatically. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would feel much better if you guys could give me the benefit of >>>>>> your >>>>>> experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>> >> >> > > |