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From: Rubens on 8 Dec 2009 23:44 I'll have to reach out to the guys in our Dallas office tomorrow because I am pretty sure we have rack mounted UPS's down there (we do in our Canadian office). But I think the power goes out for extended periods of time where the UPS wouldn't last. I'll find out. Thanks Jay. "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message news:OqLTGO7dKHA.2164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:21D27569-AC24-45D0-B823-DE8DFE88B203(a)microsoft.com... > > ... >> The building this server is housed in has terrible power issues, and the >> new senior leadership team has actually looked at buying a generator. >> But with a $250,000 price tag just to run the wiring required, they >> aren't going to do it. They are now looking at a new site altogether to >> move the hardware too. It's unfortunate considering this is a 16 >> processor clustered box with 128 GB of RAM, only to go down to bad power. >> > > I had a similar issue back in the early/mid 1990's with a single database > server and two 16 drive SAN's. I managed to get my CIO to pop about $1,000 > for a UPS (and shutdown software) to prevent database corruption when > there were power issues. It worked out really well. > > It should be even less expensive now and you might even be able to get > rack mount UPS's. >
From: Jay on 9 Dec 2009 01:03 You don't understand. Set the software to power the server down if without power for ~33% of the UPS's life. Better a powered down server, than data corruption. "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ASMQpIeKHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > I'll have to reach out to the guys in our Dallas office tomorrow because I > am pretty sure we have rack mounted UPS's down there (we do in our > Canadian office). But I think the power goes out for extended periods of > time where the UPS wouldn't last. I'll find out. > > Thanks Jay. > > "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message > news:OqLTGO7dKHA.2164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:21D27569-AC24-45D0-B823-DE8DFE88B203(a)microsoft.com... >> >> ... >>> The building this server is housed in has terrible power issues, and >>> the new senior leadership team has actually looked at buying a >>> generator. But with a $250,000 price tag just to run the wiring >>> required, they aren't going to do it. They are now looking at a new >>> site altogether to move the hardware too. It's unfortunate considering >>> this is a 16 processor clustered box with 128 GB of RAM, only to go down >>> to bad power. >>> >> >> I had a similar issue back in the early/mid 1990's with a single database >> server and two 16 drive SAN's. I managed to get my CIO to pop about >> $1,000 for a UPS (and shutdown software) to prevent database corruption >> when there were power issues. It worked out really well. >> >> It should be even less expensive now and you might even be able to get >> rack mount UPS's. >>
From: Rubens on 9 Dec 2009 10:07 My apology, let me clarify. We have a massive UPS in the Canadian office that gracefully shuts down the servers if the UPS power level goes below a certain threshold during a power outage. I've never asked the Network guys in Dallas what their setup is, but my best guess is that we have a UPS that will power the servers for a certain period of time. However, I believe it is so old that I am not sure if it has the software to gracefully shut it down properly. So when the UPS dies, so do the servers. That is my best guess as it's the only thing that would explain why there would be an ungraceful shutdown during the power outage. Thanks, Rubens "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message news:uoK$FVJeKHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You don't understand. > > Set the software to power the server down if without power for ~33% of the > UPS's life. > > Better a powered down server, than data corruption. > > "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23ASMQpIeKHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> I'll have to reach out to the guys in our Dallas office tomorrow because >> I am pretty sure we have rack mounted UPS's down there (we do in our >> Canadian office). But I think the power goes out for extended periods of >> time where the UPS wouldn't last. I'll find out. >> >> Thanks Jay. >> >> "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message >> news:OqLTGO7dKHA.2164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:21D27569-AC24-45D0-B823-DE8DFE88B203(a)microsoft.com... >>> >>> ... >>>> The building this server is housed in has terrible power issues, and >>>> the new senior leadership team has actually looked at buying a >>>> generator. But with a $250,000 price tag just to run the wiring >>>> required, they aren't going to do it. They are now looking at a new >>>> site altogether to move the hardware too. It's unfortunate considering >>>> this is a 16 processor clustered box with 128 GB of RAM, only to go >>>> down to bad power. >>>> >>> >>> I had a similar issue back in the early/mid 1990's with a single >>> database server and two 16 drive SAN's. I managed to get my CIO to pop >>> about $1,000 for a UPS (and shutdown software) to prevent database >>> corruption when there were power issues. It worked out really well. >>> >>> It should be even less expensive now and you might even be able to get >>> rack mount UPS's. >>> > >
From: Jay on 10 Dec 2009 08:26
Dude, you have bigger problems than I thought. Good luck, you're gonna need it. "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23Wq$DFOeKHA.6000(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > My apology, let me clarify. We have a massive UPS in the Canadian office > that gracefully shuts down the servers if the UPS power level goes below a > certain threshold during a power outage. > > I've never asked the Network guys in Dallas what their setup is, but my > best guess is that we have a UPS that will power the servers for a certain > period of time. However, I believe it is so old that I am not sure if it > has the software to gracefully shut it down properly. So when the UPS > dies, so do the servers. > > That is my best guess as it's the only thing that would explain why there > would be an ungraceful shutdown during the power outage. > > Thanks, > Rubens > > "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message > news:uoK$FVJeKHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> You don't understand. >> >> Set the software to power the server down if without power for ~33% of >> the UPS's life. >> >> Better a powered down server, than data corruption. >> >> "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:%23ASMQpIeKHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> I'll have to reach out to the guys in our Dallas office tomorrow because >>> I am pretty sure we have rack mounted UPS's down there (we do in our >>> Canadian office). But I think the power goes out for extended periods >>> of time where the UPS wouldn't last. I'll find out. >>> >>> Thanks Jay. >>> >>> "Jay" <spam(a)nospam.org> wrote in message >>> news:OqLTGO7dKHA.2164(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> "Rubens" <rubensrose(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:21D27569-AC24-45D0-B823-DE8DFE88B203(a)microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> ... >>>>> The building this server is housed in has terrible power issues, and >>>>> the new senior leadership team has actually looked at buying a >>>>> generator. But with a $250,000 price tag just to run the wiring >>>>> required, they aren't going to do it. They are now looking at a new >>>>> site altogether to move the hardware too. It's unfortunate >>>>> considering this is a 16 processor clustered box with 128 GB of RAM, >>>>> only to go down to bad power. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I had a similar issue back in the early/mid 1990's with a single >>>> database server and two 16 drive SAN's. I managed to get my CIO to pop >>>> about $1,000 for a UPS (and shutdown software) to prevent database >>>> corruption when there were power issues. It worked out really well. >>>> >>>> It should be even less expensive now and you might even be able to get >>>> rack mount UPS's. >>>> >> >> |