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From: Norman B. Grover on 2 Feb 2010 07:31
I am having trouble reading incoming Hebrew messages: sometimes the text
appears as unintelligible upper ASCII characters, other times it is just
fine. I have Microsoft Viewer installed (e-gadgets.freehostia.com) and the
UTF8->ISO plugin. From the latter I can try manually Hebrew (ISO-logical),
Hebrew (ISO-visual), Hebrew (Windows), Hebrew (DOS), but none produces the
Hebrew character set, just different symbols.
I use Eudora version 7.1.0.9 under Windows XP Pro-SP3.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel
From: Han on 2 Feb 2010 08:40
Norman B. Grover <norman(a)md.huji.ac.il> wrote in
news:MPG.25d247a4cf6b041e989689(a)localhost:

> I am having trouble reading incoming Hebrew messages: sometimes the
> text
> appears as unintelligible upper ASCII characters, other times it is
> just fine. I have Microsoft Viewer installed
> (e-gadgets.freehostia.com) and the UTF8->ISO plugin. From the latter I
> can try manually Hebrew (ISO-logical), Hebrew (ISO-visual), Hebrew
> (Windows), Hebrew (DOS), but none produces the Hebrew character set,
> just different symbols.
> I use Eudora version 7.1.0.9 under Windows XP Pro-SP3.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

As I understand it, classical Eudora is no good at representing other
character sets. Period.

I think (from what I hear, no personal experience) that you will need to
use another email client, such as Thunderbird, or perhaps "Eudora" 8.

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
From: John H Meyers on 2 Feb 2010 13:00
Replying to Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:31:34 -0600, by Norman B. Grover

Eudora has been used in the past with Hebrew,
but if the method of composing and encoding by your correspondents
is not compatible with the ways in which it was done in the past,
then those ways may not work for you now.

If you have some particular correspondent,
that person might either attach a file composed in another program,
or send a copy to a web-based email system.

For example, you can route all email through a Gmail account,
by having your current account automatically forward all mail
to the Gmail account, then change the POP server in Eudora
to pop.gmail.com (with "Required, Alternate Port" for SSL).

This will act just as before, but now all mail will also
be viewable in the Gmail web interface, will be automatically backed up,
will be accessible from any computer at all, etc.
(The "From:" address at Gmail can also be set to your original address).

Other than such strategies, you could simply start using a new email client
on your computer. Thunderbird is a popular cross-platform client
which continues to be developed, and a product called "Eudora 8"
happens to be an enhanced version of Thunderbird,
with some added features to remind one of good old Eudora.

You can try any new client in parallel with your current "classic" Eudora,
by simply having both "leave mail on server" for some number of days,
allowing both clients to download the same mail.

See the "Beta" of Eudora 8 at http://www.eudora.com/

Install that product in its own _separate_ "program files" folder
(the installer default is normally fine, and does not even conflict
with any existing Thunderbird).

"Eudora 8" does not share any mail or settings storage, either,
with "classic" Eudora (has an "importer" instead),
but it does share mail and settings with any default Thunderbird profile.

--
From: Norman B. Grover on 4 Feb 2010 12:17
In article <Xns9D1358388DB26ikkezelf(a)207.246.207.160>, nobody(a)nospam.not
says...
> Norman B. Grover <norman(a)md.huji.ac.il> wrote in
> news:MPG.25d247a4cf6b041e989689(a)localhost:
>
> > I am having trouble reading incoming Hebrew messages: sometimes the
> > text
> > appears as unintelligible upper ASCII characters, other times it is
> > just fine. I have Microsoft Viewer installed
> > (e-gadgets.freehostia.com) and the UTF8->ISO plugin. From the latter I
> > can try manually Hebrew (ISO-logical), Hebrew (ISO-visual), Hebrew
> > (Windows), Hebrew (DOS), but none produces the Hebrew character set,
> > just different symbols.
> > I use Eudora version 7.1.0.9 under Windows XP Pro-SP3.
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> As I understand it, classical Eudora is no good at representing other
> character sets. Period.
>
> I think (from what I hear, no personal experience) that you will need to
> use another email client, such as Thunderbird, or perhaps "Eudora" 8.
>
>
Dear Sir,
Please see my reply to John Meyers below. Thank you for trying to
help.
--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel
From: Norman B. Grover on 4 Feb 2010 12:34
In article <op.u7ihmmdonn735j(a)miu.edu>, jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid says...
> Replying to Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:31:34 -0600, by Norman B. Grover
>
> Eudora has been used in the past with Hebrew,
> but if the method of composing and encoding by your correspondents
> is not compatible with the ways in which it was done in the past,
> then those ways may not work for you now.
>
> If you have some particular correspondent,
> that person might either attach a file composed in another program,
> or send a copy to a web-based email system.
>
> For example, you can route all email through a Gmail account,
> by having your current account automatically forward all mail
> to the Gmail account, then change the POP server in Eudora
> to pop.gmail.com (with "Required, Alternate Port" for SSL).
>
> This will act just as before, but now all mail will also
> be viewable in the Gmail web interface, will be automatically backed up,
> will be accessible from any computer at all, etc.
> (The "From:" address at Gmail can also be set to your original address).
>
> Other than such strategies, you could simply start using a new email client
> on your computer. Thunderbird is a popular cross-platform client
> which continues to be developed, and a product called "Eudora 8"
> happens to be an enhanced version of Thunderbird,
> with some added features to remind one of good old Eudora.
>
> You can try any new client in parallel with your current "classic" Eudora,
> by simply having both "leave mail on server" for some number of days,
> allowing both clients to download the same mail.
>
> See the "Beta" of Eudora 8 at http://www.eudora.com/
>
> Install that product in its own _separate_ "program files" folder
> (the installer default is normally fine, and does not even conflict
> with any existing Thunderbird).
>
> "Eudora 8" does not share any mail or settings storage, either,
> with "classic" Eudora (has an "importer" instead),
> but it does share mail and settings with any default Thunderbird profile.
>
>
Dear John,
Thank you for your as-always detailed and informative reply.
I downloaded and installed Eudora 8.08b and began fiddling with it. I
must say my experience was mixed. For instance, I was able to import my
mailboxes from Eudora 7 without undue difficulty, but couldn't bring over
my filters. I spent some time at the Penelope forum and was relieved to see
that you feature there as well. I hope the users there are as grateful to
you as we are here.
I decided to leave Eudora 8 installed and evaluate it further,
checking for new versions from time to time, while remaining with version 7
as my main client.
In the meanwhile, I did manage to adjust the Viewer plugin so as to
be able to see incoming Hebrew mail: automatic seems to work in most cases;
when it doesn't, Unicode usually solves the problem. (Incidentally, version
8 renders the problematic messages properly but turns many of the ones that
were legible in version 7, into unintelligible junk, so I would probably
have to fiddle with the decoding here as well.)
Thank you again.
--

Norman B. Grover
Jerusalem, Israel
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