How many usenet misfits have Aspergers? MY INITIAL ASSESSMENT
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From: Greegor on 6 Aug 2010 05:57 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/lamo/ Ex-Hacker Adrian Lamo Institutionalized for Asperger's By Kevin Poulsen May 20, 2010 5:46 pm ------------------------------------------------------------- [...] JosephKK > You almost mentioned auk itself. I posted the same news story and asked the same question in auk and some other usenet groups and they responded about like Archie did, though with less coprolalia. I would not normally be very hard on somebody with a disability but I'm also not going to placate somebody like Archie or Green Xenon. Green Xenon kept asking in various places for help to design his extra special untraceable computer. After seeing his manifesto describing his anger at the world and intent to punish the world without any consequences, I realized my usual conciliatory stance toward disabled people would be wrong. His motive and intent were beyond sick. I saw that ignoring Archie was not working and that Archie urgently wanted to vent his anger so I challenged him. Archie's overinflated EGO stood out as unlike my observations of misfits and recluses I had befriended and worked with decades ago. Then it dawned on me that today those social misfits have their own little kingdom. I had thought that the nature of internet and usenet was causing normal people to undergo a "road rage" like behavior change, and I still think that is a part of the picture. But I now think that a much larger portion of the bad behavior is coming from social misfits with bonafide mental or brain disorders like Aspergers. Lots of people with Aspergers or Schizophrenia, etc. can behave themselves and be very much productive members of society. I have a renewed concern however with the way that usenet social misfits can feed off each other and gradually drift into criminal or dangerous territory. AUK and their behavior reached a level of excess and had a slight correction (law suit) but the group think coming from mentally toxic misfits is stubborn. The psychology of "playground bullies" and the dynamics of how groups BADLY respond to them, ignoring or "joining in" fascinates me.
From: John Doe on 11 Aug 2010 05:43 Greegor <greegor47 gmail.com> wrote: > I would not normally be very hard on somebody with a disability > but I'm also not going to placate somebody like Archie or Green > Xenon. > > Green Xenon kept asking in various places for help to design his > extra special untraceable computer. What use for tracing a computer? I suppose a straightforward threat of physical violence might be a good reason. Then again, the chances of someone following up are probably very small, the chance of them succeeding is probably very small, and the chance of them getting caught even without tracing their computer is probably high and might involve the FBI if they crossed state lines. > After seeing his manifesto describing his anger at the world and > intent to punish the world without any consequences, Sounds like something out of a comic book. > I realized my usual conciliatory stance toward disabled people > would be wrong. His motive and intent were beyond sick. > > I saw that ignoring Archie was not working and that Archie > urgently wanted to vent his anger so I challenged him. > > Archie's overinflated EGO stood out as unlike my observations of > misfits and recluses I had befriended and worked with decades > ago. > > Then it dawned on me that today those social misfits have their > own little kingdom. A kingdom that is in fact practically harmless. > I had thought that the nature of internet and usenet was causing > normal people to undergo a "road rage" like behavior change, and > I still think that is a part of the picture. It is very much part of the picture. Some people cannot cope with being unable to exert physical influence over others. Some people thrive in it. > But I now think that a much larger portion of the bad behavior > is coming from social misfits with bonafide mental or brain > disorders like Aspergers. Imagine what Vincent Van Gogh and Edgar Allan Poe would have done to the world through UseNet. Mental illness is not uncommon among geniuses. You can guess that mental hyperactivity makes one good at UseNet/Internet stuff. You might also find that some social misfits and mentally challenged people actually do better on the Internet. Just be glad you are not there? > Lots of people with Aspergers or Schizophrenia, etc. can behave > themselves and be very much productive members of society. I > have a renewed concern however with the way that usenet social > misfits can feed off each other and gradually drift into > criminal or dangerous territory. Difficult to control? Yes. Criminal? Maybe sometimes. Dangerous? Hardly. > AUK and their behavior reached a level of excess and had a > slight correction (law suit) but the group think coming from > mentally toxic misfits is stubborn. Was it appealed? There was a lawsuit years ago that involved one of the skiing groups. Apparently some little judge gagged one of the posters. There is no question in my mind that if anything like that were appealed, it would be quickly overturned. > The psychology of "playground bullies" and the dynamics of how > groups BADLY respond to them, ignoring or "joining in" > fascinates me. Bullying on the Internet is no more of a problem than bullying in real life. The difference is that conventional bullying does not work on the Internet. I do not know if and how it could be done, but what UseNet needs is a fixed ID for every persona, independent of Internet service provider. Personally, I could not care less who you are in real life (if you want to advertise that info, fine). All that matters is how you act here on UseNet. That is why nym-shifting sucks IMO. UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world. -- See also Google Groups > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-03.inet.qwest.net!216.196.98.151.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: Greegor <greegor47 gmail.com> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: How many usenet misfits have Aspergers? MY INITIAL ASSESSMENT > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 02:57:29 -0700 (PDT) > Organization: http://groups.google.com > Lines: 67 > Message-ID: <2319fe87-9f02-4a0f-b3f6-367d4fb7c8d1 j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> > References: <f3dc6405-2a20-45ca-a0ad-2025a8bef60b d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <8boukdFtoaU1 mid.individual.net> <34d18cf9-a9a0-49af-bcd1-c4c82b78f4dd o19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <7rdl56huojr5ngg25vlmj5bfffcq7if836 4ax.com> <f712b210-bde5-4db0-8bfd-0363e4875330 q21g2000prm.googlegroups.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.191.213.214 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > X-Trace: posting.google.com 1281088649 16675 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2010 09:57:29 GMT) > X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com > NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:57:29 +0000 (UTC) > Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com > Injection-Info: j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=207.191.213.214; posting-account=5SXNEQkAAAC6SFadCHPE9O-jLMHq7h-Y > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) > Bytes: 3686 >
From: JosephKK on 12 Aug 2010 21:13 On 11 Aug 2010 09:43:48 GMT, John Doe <jdoe(a)usenetlove.invalid> wrote: > >> The psychology of "playground bullies" and the dynamics of how >> groups BADLY respond to them, ignoring or "joining in" >> fascinates me. > >Bullying on the Internet is no more of a problem than bullying in >real life. The difference is that conventional bullying does not >work on the Internet. > >I do not know if and how it could be done, but what UseNet needs >is a fixed ID for every persona, independent of Internet service >provider. Personally, I could not care less who you are in real >life (if you want to advertise that info, fine). All that matters >is how you act here on UseNet. That is why nym-shifting sucks IMO. > >UseNet is the wisdom and folly of the world. Actually, after some time NymShifting ceases to work. The character of the post is even more reliable ID. Much like Bill SlowBot.
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