How to move operating system to a new hard drive?
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From: Twayne on 17 Jan 2010 20:44 In news:AD5BD633-4CFC-4F8E-AB64-05ABB37B6AE1(a)microsoft.com, Andrew E. <eckrichco(a)msn.com> typed: > Well you really dont want the OS on an external drive anyway.For an > internal hd OS transfer,use xp XCOPY,it only takes about 5 > minutes. Uhh, xcopy can NOT copy an operating system to another drive in any manner that will make for a usable, bootable drive. Files that are "in use" can NOT be copied, edited, moved or delted while they are in use. And there are always files in use when windows is running, and they are necessary files to the system. The easiest way to copy a drive is by having booted from ANOTHER drive, say a DVD, which does not depend on, nor need any of the files on the normal boot drive. The process is known as "cloning" a drive. Many imaging and backup applications come with the clone capability; I've heard that Casper is an excellent one for when the budget is tight if you don't already ahve something. IFF the important data has been backed up, and IFF the recovery programs are NOT on the failing hard drive, then the best option would be to just install XP up to the SP level needed, and once running well, just restore all the data back and reinstall the programs and applications you want to use. Takes a couple days in most cases but it will work. If the recovery operations are all stored on-disk instead of as separate DVDs and CDs, then it's best to check with your manufacturer for the best way to handle it. If the drive hardware is actually failing it may not be possible to get to the recover partition, but it's worth a try. Even if you do copy some corruption to the new disk, it won't be physical damage, just simple software corruption that can be managed once the new drive is up and running. However, if the old hd is corrupted,then you may transfer its > problems to the new,but try it..Simply set the new hd as slave to > current C: hd on the same IDE cable, > old being the last plug on cable.Once in xp you need to format it,or > maybe format it in recovery console..Once formated,go to run,type: > XCOPY C:\*.* D:\ /c/h/e/k/r Agree to all in the DOS window.Also,D: > being the new hd letter,if asigned diffrent latter,then use that > instead,for all XCOPY > cmds/etc, go to: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb491035.aspx Again, xcopy can NOT copy a running windows OS to another drive, so that's going to fail. It says, right on that same page: "By default, xcopy does not copy hidden or system files. ", so ... . System files are NOT going to be copied. HTH, Twayne > > "Dennman6" wrote: > >> I have an e-Machines T-1120 bought new in 2002. Over the last month, >> it will function normally then after 30-45 minutes goes to a blue >> screen that says "hardware malfunction". I presume that the hard >> drive is dying, but when I try to tranfer the contents of the HDD to >> a Maxtor 500 GB external drive, the computer doesn't stay on long >> enough for the Maxtor program to finish the transfer. I have had >> time to extract any files I wanted to keep(documents, music, >> photos), but I want to continue using this PC. About a year ago I >> bought a 120 GB Maxtor internal drive to add to this PC & never got >> around to installing it(yeah, I KNOW!). I have the restore discs for >> this PC, but don't know what use they can be to the newer HDD. I >> tried running them onto it with the new drive connected to the CD-RW >> drive's cables & then as the HDD, with no positive results. >> >> The motherboard is still good, & I had intended to put in a 500 watt >> Antec power supply to replace the original one. I bought the Antec PS >> as a "fix" to rejuvenate a 4 year old PC that went dead. That PC >> never came back, so it's motherboard must've been fried when the >> original PS failed. If I could figure out how to move the XP >> operating system onto the newer HDD, after adding the 500 watt PS >> the T-1120 could still be a useful unit. I have no shortage of PCs >> in the house, with a Compaq laptop & two other e-Machines desktops >> bought last year. I even still have a Compaq Presario 5460 from 1999 >> that still works fine with it's original Seagate 10 GB HDD-obviously >> that is a limited machine. But I hate waste & want to salvage this >> T-1120. .
From: Twayne on 17 Jan 2010 21:37 Hi, Inline please: In news:20876f2c-1efd-49ae-b58d-ce0c62c66bf8(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, Dennman6 <victrola78s(a)aol.com> typed: > I have an e-Machines T-1120 bought new in 2002. Over the last month, > it will function normally then after 30-45 minutes goes to a blue > screen that says "hardware malfunction". That's typical of an overheating situation somewhere in the machine. Some things to check are: -- If it's a heating situation, turning the machine off and then right back on will not fix it. You have to leave it off for several minutes, maybe 15 minutes or more, for things to cool enough for it to boot again. Or, if it does start, the time it'll run for is much shorter than the first try, unless you leave it off for a long time. Does any of that fit your situation? -- Are all fans turning and up to speed? A failed fan, especially on the cpu will cause your symptoms. Almost everything on the motherboard can cause the symptoms you give if it's overheating; even disk drives. If you think it's a heat problem, which it sounds like, leaving the machine opened up and placing a couple of good box fans blowing into it might well extend the ON time long enough to get more testing done with it. Just leaving the cover off won't prove much; it may heat faster or slower, depending on how it's designed and laid out. I presume that the hard drive > is dying, Why do you think the hard drive is dying? Have you run any tests? It could be heat, or corrupted programs, or even malware causing the problems. It would be better to be more sure before diving in. You might introduce another problem by replacing a drive, making multiple problems, which are much harder to troubleshoot most of the time. but when I try to tranfer the contents of the HDD to a > Maxtor 500 GB external drive, the computer doesn't stay on long enough > for the Maxtor program to finish the transfer. IF that 30-45 minutes is repeatable, you might manage a backup by doing it in pieces. Do smaller sets of folders & files that will complete within the 30-45 minutes. Then let the machine cool for an hour or so, go back and get another set, and so on until you're done. What are you using to backup with? I noticed the advice to use xcopy.exe, but understand that xcopy is NOT capable of backing up the operating system (XP). It's noted right in the text of the recommended URL of that other post. Xcopy however IS very good for backing up your DATA. Be sure to get your address book (.wab), emails (*.dbx) and Favorites folder/s, unless you don't mind rebuilding them later. I have had time to > extract any files I wanted to keep(documents, music, photos), That's a big step done, right there. You'll be glad you did that. but I > want to continue using this PC. I doubt there's anything to recommend against it unless it's just not compatible with XP. I assume XP WAS running OK on it, right? About a year ago I bought a 120 GB > Maxtor internal drive to add to this PC & never got around to > installing it(yeah, I KNOW!). I have the restore discs for this PC, GREAT! That's another huge step out of the way. > but don't know what use they can be to the newer HDD. I tried running > them onto it with the new drive connected to the CD-RW drive's cables > & then as the HDD, with no positive results. I don't understand that paragraph, but the process, simply stated, would be: -- Install the new hard drive. MOST drives come with instructions AND an application to set the disk up with an operating sytem. Did this one? If not, the manufacturer's web site should still have all that information available for free. -- Check in Disk Management to be sure the machine sees it. -- Partition the drive. IIRC XP will only handle up to 2 drives, so if you have more than two, you might have to unplug the others to get going. Set the partition to Active, bootable, whatever terminiology the accompanying application uses; just be sure to indicate it will be a boot drive when you get the opportunity. -- Format the partition -- Once it's working, has a drive letter and Explorer can copy files to/from it, it should be all set to go. -- Remove the old drive. -- Put the new drive in its place. As long as you don't have other drives plugged in besides an optical drive, it'll assign letter C to it later on. -- Toss your XP disk into the optical CD drive. Boot from it by restarting the computer. If you don't get a message to "press a key to boot from the CD" or similar, you'll have to go into your BIOS and set the optical drive to be checked for booting before the C drive is. Jump right into installing XP and following the instructions onscreen. That should get XP installed and running. Do NOT connect to the 'net until you have the firewall in XP turned on, your AV installed, and any spyware/malware detectors you might have. At least be certain to have at least the firewall and anti-virus installed BEFORE you connect to the 'net in any way. Let auto-update bring your machine up to date. As the updates load, you can start restoring our saved data back to the disk. Here's a couple links that might help you out: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/upgrades/f/replace-hard-drive.htm http://www.helpwithpcs.com/upgrading/install-hard-drive.htm (with pics) http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=418 (optional) > > The motherboard is still good, & I had intended to put in a 500 watt > Antec power supply to replace the original one. I bought the Antec PS > as a "fix" to rejuvenate a 4 year old PC that went dead. That PC never > came back, so it's motherboard must've been fried when the original PS > failed. If I could figure out how to move the XP operating system onto > the newer HDD, after adding the 500 watt PS the T-1120 could still be > a useful unit. I have no shortage of PCs in the house, with a Compaq > laptop & two other e-Machines desktops bought last year. I even still > have a Compaq Presario 5460 from 1999 that still works fine with it's > original Seagate 10 GB HDD-obviously that is a limited machine. But I > hate waste & want to salvage this T-1120. lol, sounds like you have at least a couple possibilities to add some additional storage space to your machine. I only have one thing to say: Do ONE THING AT A TIME and be sure each is working properly before moving on to the next one. Things will go a lot smoother. HTH, Twayne
From: kingmaker on 22 Jan 2010 00:25 Dennman6;3370206 Wrote: > I have an e-Machines T-1120 bought new in 2002. Over the last month, > it will function normally then after 30-45 minutes goes to a blue > screen that says "hardware malfunction". I presume that the hard drive > is dying, but when I try to tranfer the contents of the HDD to a > Maxtor 500 GB external drive, the computer doesn't stay on long enough > for the Maxtor program to finish the transfer. I have had time to > extract any files I wanted to keep(documents, music, photos), but I > want to continue using this PC. About a year ago I bought a 120 GB > Maxtor internal drive to add to this PC & never got around to > installing it(yeah, I KNOW!). I have the restore discs for this PC, > but don't know what use they can be to the newer HDD. I tried running > them onto it with the new drive connected to the CD-RW drive's cables > & then as the HDD, with no positive results. > > The motherboard is still good, & I had intended to put in a 500 watt > Antec power supply to replace the original one. I bought the Antec PS > as a "fix" to rejuvenate a 4 year old PC that went dead. That PC never > came back, so it's motherboard must've been fried when the original PS > failed. If I could figure out how to move the XP operating system onto > the newer HDD, after adding the 500 watt PS the T-1120 could still be > a useful unit. I have no shortage of PCs in the house, with a Compaq > laptop & two other e-Machines desktops bought last year. I even still > have a Compaq Presario 5460 from 1999 that still works fine with it's > original Seagate 10 GB HDD-obviously that is a limited machine. But I > hate waste & want to salvage this T-1120. Thanks for sharing this information.. -- kingmaker
From: Dennman6 on 24 Jan 2010 13:22 I want to thank everyone for responding to my questions, especially "Tywane". He has given me a lot of options to try out. I will be ready to tackle some of this later this afternoon. If I am sucessful I will tell the list members how it all pans out. Thanks! Dennis On Jan 17, 9:37 pm, "Twayne" <nob...(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > Hi, > > Inline please: > > Innews:20876f2c-1efd-49ae-b58d-ce0c62c66bf8(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, > Dennman6 <victrola...(a)aol.com> typed: > > > I have an e-Machines T-1120 bought new in 2002. Over the last month, > > it will function normally then after 30-45 minutes goes to a blue > > screen that says "hardware malfunction". > > That's typical of an overheating situation somewhere in the machine. Some > things to check are: > -- If it's a heating situation, turning the machine off and then right back > on will not fix it. You have to leave it off for several minutes, maybe 15 > minutes or more, for things to cool enough for it to boot again. Or, if it > does start, the time it'll run for is much shorter than the first try, > unless you leave it off for a long time. > Does any of that fit your situation? > > -- Are all fans turning and up to speed? > A failed fan, especially on the cpu will cause your symptoms. Almost > everything on the motherboard can cause the symptoms you give if it's > overheating; even disk drives. > > If you think it's a heat problem, which it sounds like, leaving the machine > opened up and placing a couple of good box fans blowing into it might well > extend the ON time long enough to get more testing done with it. Just > leaving the cover off won't prove much; it may heat faster or slower, > depending on how it's designed and laid out. > > I presume that the hard drive > > > is dying, > > Why do you think the hard drive is dying? Have you run any tests? > It could be heat, or corrupted programs, or even malware causing the > problems. It would be better to be more sure before diving in. You might > introduce another problem by replacing a drive, making multiple problems, > which are much harder to troubleshoot most of the time. > > but when I try to tranfer the contents of the HDD to a > > > Maxtor 500 GB external drive, the computer doesn't stay on long enough > > for the Maxtor program to finish the transfer. > > IF that 30-45 minutes is repeatable, you might manage a backup by doing it > in pieces. Do smaller sets of folders & files that will complete within the > 30-45 minutes. Then let the machine cool for an hour or so, go back and get > another set, and so on until you're done. > What are you using to backup with? I noticed the advice to use > xcopy.exe, but understand that xcopy is NOT capable of backing up the > operating system (XP). It's noted right in the text of the recommended URL > of that other post. Xcopy however IS very good for backing up your DATA. > Be sure to get your address book (.wab), emails (*.dbx) and Favorites > folder/s, unless you don't mind rebuilding them later. > > I have had time to > > > extract any files I wanted to keep(documents, music, photos), > > That's a big step done, right there. You'll be glad you did that. > > but I > > > want to continue using this PC. > > I doubt there's anything to recommend against it unless it's just not > compatible with XP. I assume XP WAS running OK on it, right? > > About a year ago I bought a 120 GB > > > Maxtor internal drive to add to this PC & never got around to > > installing it(yeah, I KNOW!). I have the restore discs for this PC, > > GREAT! That's another huge step out of the way. > > > but don't know what use they can be to the newer HDD. I tried running > > them onto it with the new drive connected to the CD-RW drive's cables > > & then as the HDD, with no positive results. > > I don't understand that paragraph, but the process, simply stated, would be: > -- Install the new hard drive. MOST drives come with instructions AND an > application to set the disk up with an operating sytem. Did this one? If > not, the manufacturer's web site should still have all that information > available for free. > > -- Check in Disk Management to be sure the machine sees it. > > -- Partition the drive. IIRC XP will only handle up to 2 drives, so if you > have more than two, you might have to unplug the others to get going. Set > the partition to Active, bootable, whatever terminiology the accompanying > application uses; just be sure to indicate it will be a boot drive when you > get the opportunity. > > -- Format the partition > > -- Once it's working, has a drive letter and Explorer can copy files > to/from it, it should be all set to go. > > -- Remove the old drive. > > -- Put the new drive in its place. As long as you don't have other drives > plugged in besides an optical drive, it'll assign letter C to it later on.. > > -- Toss your XP disk into the optical CD drive. Boot from it by restarting > the computer. > If you don't get a message to "press a key to boot from the CD" or > similar, you'll have to go into your BIOS and set the optical drive to be > checked for booting before the C drive is. > Jump right into installing XP and following the instructions onscreen. > > That should get XP installed and running. Do NOT connect to the 'net until > you have the firewall in XP turned on, your AV installed, and any > spyware/malware detectors you might have. At least be certain to have at > least the firewall and anti-virus installed BEFORE you connect to the 'net > in any way. > Let auto-update bring your machine up to date. As the updates load, you > can start restoring our saved data back to the disk. > > Here's a couple links that might help you out: > > http://pcsupport.about.com/od/upgrades/f/replace-hard-drive.htm > > http://www.helpwithpcs.com/upgrading/install-hard-drive.htm (with pics) > > http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=418 (optional) > > > > > The motherboard is still good, & I had intended to put in a 500 watt > > Antec power supply to replace the original one. I bought the Antec PS > > as a "fix" to rejuvenate a 4 year old PC that went dead. That PC never > > came back, so it's motherboard must've been fried when the original PS > > failed. If I could figure out how to move the XP operating system onto > > the newer HDD, after adding the 500 watt PS the T-1120 could still be > > a useful unit. I have no shortage of PCs in the house, with a Compaq > > laptop & two other e-Machines desktops bought last year. I even still > > have a Compaq Presario 5460 from 1999 that still works fine with it's > > original Seagate 10 GB HDD-obviously that is a limited machine. But I > > hate waste & want to salvage this T-1120. > > lol, sounds like you have at least a couple possibilities to add some > additional storage space to your machine. I only have one thing to say: Do > ONE THING AT A TIME and be sure each is working properly before moving on to > the next one. Things will go a lot smoother. > > HTH, > > Twayne
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