From: 98 Guy on
For those of you that want to use various Win-2K updates from Microsoft
and apply them to your Win-98 system, this update package has been
designed to bring together all those various updates and install them
automatically.

MD InternetExplorer 6.0sp1 Component Update 3.0

*Windows Script Update 5.6
*971961 - Unofficial JScript Security Update
*944338 - Unofficial Windows Script Security Update
*973354 - Unofficial Outloook Express Cumulative Security Update
*976325 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update (with
uninstall)
*905495 - Unofficial Security Update (MSIEFTP)
*885258 - Security Update (PROCTEXE)
*816362 - Security Update (MSHTA)
*958869 - Unofficial Security Update (VGX)
*906216 - Unofficial Security Update (DHTML+TRIEDIT)
*920670 - Unofficial Security Update (HLINK)
*918439 - Security Update (ART Image Rendering)
*816093 - JVM 3810 Security Update
*961371 - Unofficial Web fonts update
*824220 - Unofficial Security Update (IMGUTIL)
*886677 - Unofficial Security Update (MLANG)
*896156 - Unofficial Security Update (MSHTMLED)
*893627 - Hotfix for Bug with Group Policies Not Applied in IE6sp1
*973525 - Unofficial ActiveX Kill Bits (AKB) Security Vulnerability Fix
*931125 - Windows Roots Update

*Unofficial DirectX Media (DXM) 6.0 Update

--------------------------------------------------------------
http://rapidshare.de/files/48815001/MDIE6CU30E.EXE.html
---------------------------------------------------------------

*Size: ~14mb

What's new:

*976325 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update (with
uninstall)
*961371 - Unofficial web fonts update

removed:

*974455 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update
*976749 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Update
*908519 - Web fonts update
From: J. P. Gilliver (John) on
In message <OlEVIsbeKHA.2184(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>On 12/10/2009 08:46 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
>> For those of you that want to use various Win-2K updates from Microsoft
>> and apply them to your Win-98 system, this update package has been
>> designed to bring together all those various updates and install them
>> automatically.
>
> You know damn well these also subject the users to potential and
>ongoing vulnerabilities which are *not* protected via 9X capable AV
>and other programs due to the differing operating environments and
>expected respective activities. Moreover, *these files* may give users a
>false and dangerous feeling that they HAVE secured their systems, when,
>IN FACT, they have added to the potential and/or now unknown real
>vulnerabilities.

I agree, he should have perhaps added some warning to that effect, but
he knows he doesn't need to as you will do so for him. (I just _knew_
what the next post I would see would be!)

Does this set of fixes actually ADD to the vulnerabilities of a system,
or just CHANGE it - i. e. could it be that it introduces some new ones
but closes some (while also adding other things, such as a DirectX and a
web fonts update)?

[They're of academic interest to me anyway - I do not have IE of any
flavour on my '98SEl machines, one of which has never been online and
the other does so very rarely.]

[Full quote of original post snipped.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar(a)T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

.... on Thursdays on BBC Two, the former BBC2. (John Peel in "Radio Times", 1-7
May 1999.)
From: MEB on
On 12/11/2009 03:16 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <OlEVIsbeKHA.2184(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, MEB
> <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/10/2009 08:46 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
>>> For those of you that want to use various Win-2K updates from Microsoft
>>> and apply them to your Win-98 system, this update package has been
>>> designed to bring together all those various updates and install them
>>> automatically.
>>
>> You know damn well these also subject the users to potential and
>> ongoing vulnerabilities which are *not* protected via 9X capable AV
>> and other programs due to the differing operating environments and
>> expected respective activities. Moreover, *these files* may give users a
>> false and dangerous feeling that they HAVE secured their systems, when,
>> IN FACT, they have added to the potential and/or now unknown real
>> vulnerabilities.
>
> I agree, he should have perhaps added some warning to that effect, but
> he knows he doesn't need to as you will do so for him. (I just _knew_
> what the next post I would see would be!)
>
> Does this set of fixes actually ADD to the vulnerabilities of a system,
> or just CHANGE it - i. e. could it be that it introduces some new ones
> but closes some (while also adding other things, such as a DirectX and a
> web fonts update)?
>
> [They're of academic interest to me anyway - I do not have IE of any
> flavour on my '98SEl machines, one of which has never been online and
> the other does so very rarely.]
>
> [Full quote of original post snipped.]

Good questions. If it were the OSs designed for it might fulfill the
desired effect, temporarily. However, there is no "patch Tuesday" or
"zero day" hotfixes for Win9x and these will contain vulnerabilities IN
THE OSs designed, for which updates will be received, Win9X won't.
These are for the interface to the Internet, the browser, waving in the
breeze...

Just as the last posted suggested junk from 98 Guy was patched in a
week or so, and is NOT part of a normal Win9X installation {MS XML4}, so
rather obviously they introduce vulnerabilities that wouldn't be there
to start with. NO ONE tests these for 9X vulnerabilities and they DO
introduce new vulnerabilities into the OSs intended; nor even for
compatibility beyond they install...

On the other hand, if you want to *manual* check every day to see if
Microsoft has offered any security or file fixes, AND check for whether
they work in 9X, AND are willing to be a "guinea pig" for any new and
COMPLETELY UNKNOWN 9X vulnerabilities, then sure, install; just don't
expect anyone to be able to help fix your system and don't expect your
software will be compatible... including any malware protection.

Somewhere along the line since EOL, these people lost track of what
they hoped to accomplish, keeping 9X alive... that requires someone
actually test and NOT JUST FOR INSTALLATION, and creation of NEW
browsers and malware programs...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---
From: MEB on
On 12/11/2009 03:16 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In message <OlEVIsbeKHA.2184(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, MEB
> <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/10/2009 08:46 AM, 98 Guy wrote:
>>> For those of you that want to use various Win-2K updates from Microsoft
>>> and apply them to your Win-98 system, this update package has been
>>> designed to bring together all those various updates and install them
>>> automatically.
>>
>> You know %^&% well these also subject the users to potential and
>> ongoing vulnerabilities which are *not* protected via 9X capable AV
>> and other programs due to the differing operating environments and
>> expected respective activities. Moreover, *these files* may give users a
>> false and dangerous feeling that they HAVE secured their systems, when,
>> IN FACT, they have added to the potential and/or now unknown real
>> vulnerabilities.
>
> I agree, he should have perhaps added some warning to that effect, but
> he knows he doesn't need to as you will do so for him. (I just _knew_
> what the next post I would see would be!)
>
> Does this set of fixes actually ADD to the vulnerabilities of a system,
> or just CHANGE it - i. e. could it be that it introduces some new ones
> but closes some (while also adding other things, such as a DirectX and a
> web fonts update)?
>
> [They're of academic interest to me anyway - I do not have IE of any
> flavour on my '98SEl machines, one of which has never been online and
> the other does so very rarely.]
>
> [Full quote of original post snipped.]

Good questions. If it were the OSs designed for it might fulfill the
desired effect, *temporarily*. However, there is no "patch Tuesday" or
"zero day" hotfixes for Win9x and these will contain vulnerabilities IN
THE OSs designed, for which updates will be received, Win9X won't.
These are for the interface to the Internet, the browser, waving in the
breeze... or are these supposedly NOT for people using IE6? Then there
is ZERO reason to install them as they patch the last group of supposed
fixes...

Just as the last posted suggested junk from 98 Guy was patched in a
week or so, and is NOT part of a normal Win9X installation {MS XML4}, so
rather obviously they introduce vulnerabilities that wouldn't be there
to start with. NO ONE tests these for 9X vulnerabilities and they DO
introduce new vulnerabilities into the OSs intended.

On the other hand, if you want to *manually* check every day to see if
Microsoft has offered any security or file fixes, AND check for whether
they work in 9X, AND are willing to be a "guinea pig" for any new and
COMPLETELY UNKNOWN 9X vulnerabilities, then sure, install; just don't
expect anyone to be able to help fix your system and don't expect your
software will be compatible... including any malware protection.

Somewhere along the line since EOL, these people lost track of what
they hoped to accomplish, keeping 9X alive... that requires someone
actually test and NOT JUST FOR INSTALLATION, and creation of NEW
browsers and malware programs...

But this was already stated for the most part... WHY you two chose to
post otherwise is the actual question...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---
From: rob^_^ on
Hi All,

Have a look at 98 Guy's headers. I would not trust someone using Opera to
build IE patches for an unsupported OS or browser.

You may as well accept those Windows Updates trojans that appear in your
Inbox (NOT). I think he is wearing black.

Regards.

"98 Guy" <98(a)Guy.com> wrote in message news:4B20FBA5.77D26F6F(a)Guy.com...
> For those of you that want to use various Win-2K updates from Microsoft
> and apply them to your Win-98 system, this update package has been
> designed to bring together all those various updates and install them
> automatically.
>
> MD InternetExplorer 6.0sp1 Component Update 3.0
>
> *Windows Script Update 5.6
> *971961 - Unofficial JScript Security Update
> *944338 - Unofficial Windows Script Security Update
> *973354 - Unofficial Outloook Express Cumulative Security Update
> *976325 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update (with
> uninstall)
> *905495 - Unofficial Security Update (MSIEFTP)
> *885258 - Security Update (PROCTEXE)
> *816362 - Security Update (MSHTA)
> *958869 - Unofficial Security Update (VGX)
> *906216 - Unofficial Security Update (DHTML+TRIEDIT)
> *920670 - Unofficial Security Update (HLINK)
> *918439 - Security Update (ART Image Rendering)
> *816093 - JVM 3810 Security Update
> *961371 - Unofficial Web fonts update
> *824220 - Unofficial Security Update (IMGUTIL)
> *886677 - Unofficial Security Update (MLANG)
> *896156 - Unofficial Security Update (MSHTMLED)
> *893627 - Hotfix for Bug with Group Policies Not Applied in IE6sp1
> *973525 - Unofficial ActiveX Kill Bits (AKB) Security Vulnerability Fix
> *931125 - Windows Roots Update
>
> *Unofficial DirectX Media (DXM) 6.0 Update
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> http://rapidshare.de/files/48815001/MDIE6CU30E.EXE.html
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Size: ~14mb
>
> What's new:
>
> *976325 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update (with
> uninstall)
> *961371 - Unofficial web fonts update
>
> removed:
>
> *974455 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update
> *976749 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Update
> *908519 - Web fonts update
>