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From: Kraig Olmstead on 26 Jan 2010 17:58
Did anyone find a solution for this short of going back to 32 bit Sonar?
I really love some of the Project 5 plug-ins (Tempo Delay especially).
I think I found something the night before last that suggested that
8.5 might be better at it.

Hi guys! Good to be back. I've been away for a few years. I'm getting
sucked back into production despite my selling most of my stuff and
vowing to only use this stuff to help me become a better musician
(emphasis on harmony, melody and composition without much emphasis on
production value).

Just a little Tempo Delay fix and I'll kick again. Yeah, that's it...

KO

kitekrazy wrote:
> Rick Paul wrote:
>> "kitekrazy" <kitekrazy(a)kitekrazy.org> wrote in message
>> news:hd27o4$spa$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> But it's the VSTi that are not working. IK Sample Moog, Philharmonic,
>>> ST2, all my Image Line synths do not open in S8.
>>
>> I don't have the Image Line stuff or ST2, but I just tried SampleTank
>> (ST1) LE, and it is hanging the VST Scanner on installing. It also
>> got a "did this program install correctly" message from Windows during
>> the installation, and I'm not seeing it show up in Control Panel's
>> application list, either (don't remember if it did on WinXP, but I'd
>> think it would have), nor do I see any program elements, even an
>> uninstall program, showing up anywhere -- it did put the DLL and
>> library under the VST directory, though. I tried a few other
>> variations on installing it, but didn't get any different results.
>>
>>> Plus Jamstix, EZ Drummer, Drumcore, Beatscape
>>
>> As in the Cakewalk Beatscape? That one definitely works just fine for
>> me in S8.5.1x64 and Win7Prox64.
>>
>>> Odd that all effects do.
>>
>> Actually, until trying SampleTank LE, and other than the known 64-bit
>> issue with SONAR 8.5.1 and the Toontrack stuff, the problems I'd had
>> were with effects -- specifically Antares AutoTune 4 and Waves
>> RennMaxx 4.05. Both of those had similar results on scanning as
>> SampleTank. Not that I have all my instruments, or even a large
>> percentage, reinstalled yet. I do, however, have the entire NI
>> Komplete 5 package (some of these have 64-bit versions, but most are
>> 32-bit only), the entire Arturia V Collection (all 32-bit), and
>> Garritan Steinway Basic (I tried both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions
>> of that). All of them are working just great.
>>
>> Mind you, the stuff that hasn't worked thus far is pretty old. The
>> installation program for ST1LE reminded me of one of those old Visual
>> Basic installation programs, and the Setup program on the CD is dated
>> 1997, which makes it vintage Windows 95 stuff. Hmm, that actually
>> gives me an idea for another way to try and install it... Nope, no
>> go. (I tried installing it with Win95 compatibility with the
>> Troubleshoot Compatibility facility.) Definitely doesn't look
>> promising. I may revisit it at some point in the future, but it's
>> definitely too late tonight, and I pretty much never use SampleTank
>> anymore, so it'll have to wait until I've gotten around to the stuff I
>> care more about. ;-)
>>
>> Rick
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if ST1 doesn't work. I'm getting the impression
> this problem I have is unique and I'm the one who experienced this.
>
> I'm upgrading another machine to W7x64. I'll see if the same thing
> happens again. It would be nice if if I would avoid installing DX
> plugins and only have their VST counterparts that come with Sonar.
From: Kraig Olmstead on 27 Jan 2010 16:05
Is 1.02b from 12/21/08 from http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/ the latest and
greatest?

I may pick up 8.5 but for now I'm on 8.31.

KO

Rick Paul wrote:
> Kraig, I noticed you were replying to an old message of mine (which was a
> reply to kitekrazy). Since then I did get SampleTank LE to install and work
> just fine. I'm not positive why it didn't install right the first time at
> this point since my attempts were months apart. It's conceivable it could
> have had something to do with having installed XP Mode in between, though I
> didn't use XP mode. Or maybe I just tried installing it the second time for
> XP compatibility or something. Bottom line, though, was that both that and
> AmpliTube, which I also think I had previous issues installing, worked fine
> when I tried installing them more recently.
>
> As for the Project5 Tempo Delay, you're in luck. That is actually one of
> the Project5 plug-ins included in SONAR 8.5, and is provided as an x64
> DirectX plug-in. Had that not been the case, though, and you had Project5
> installed in its 32-bit carnation, with the 32-bit plug-in, you probably
> could have made it work via DX Shell, as that has worked for most of the
> 32-bit DirectX plug-ins I've tried. (It makes them into 32-bit VST
> plug-ins, which then run via BitBridge. I have had a few plug-ins wrapped
> that way have strange behavior on their controls, but most I've tried work
> just fine.)
>
> Rick
From: Kraig Olmstead on 27 Jan 2010 18:28
I've been unable to use DX Shell to access the interface for Tempo Delay...

KO

Rick Paul wrote:
> "Kraig Olmstead" <kraigo(a)bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:4b60aaaf$0$33866$8046368a(a)newsreader.iphouse.net...
>> Is 1.02b from 12/21/08 from http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/ the latest and
>> greatest?
>
> Yes.
>
>> I may pick up 8.5 but for now I'm on 8.31.
>
> DX Shell should still work with that, but you won't get the Project5
> plug-ins in 64-bit format to work as native 64-bit DirectX. That is, you'll
> definitely need the DX Shell if you want to use the P5 plug-ins (installed
> from your P5 installation) on SONAR 8.3.1 x64.
>
> Rick
>
From: Kraig Olmstead on 29 Jan 2010 21:37
OK, thanks to your directions I have a bit of an idea of how to make
this work. I miss the presets that don't seem to show up in the P5
effects. I do have them doing something. Even the effects that should
not be affected by this stuff (e.g. Transient Shaper) are flakey right now.

I think I need to set this aside for now and not let it be a
distraction, though.

Thanks for all of the pointers. I'll probably revisit this in the near
future.

KO

Rick Paul wrote:
> "Kraig Olmstead" <kraigo(a)bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:4b60cc20$0$636$8046368a(a)newsreader.iphouse.net...
>> I've been unable to use DX Shell to access the interface for Tempo
>> Delay...
>
> Kraig, I'm not sure what you mean here. What have you done and what does it
> do or not do?
>
> I already put a more detailed recipe for this in another thread a week or so
> back, but the quick and dirty way to use DX Shell is to unpack its contents,
> including shell2vst.exe in a clean directory, then drag dxshell.dll (I.e.
> for DirectX plug-ins or dxishell.dll for DXi plug-ins or mfxshell.dll for
> MFX plug-ins) on top of shell2vst.exe in Explorer. That will create a DX
> subdirectory with VST-wrapped versions of all your DirectX plug-ins. You
> then drag the ones you want to use in VST format into somewhere under your
> VST directory, then load up SONAR and let it scan the new VST plug-ins.
> From there you insert it like you normally would for any VST plug-in.
>
> One possible question mark I'd have with Tempo Delay is if it might really
> be considered a DXi, or, alternately, if you might have to specially go into
> the VST configuration for the wrapped plug-in and check the flag that lets
> it get project tempo.
>
> Rick
From: Kraig Olmstead on 30 Jan 2010 08:28
Don't take me too seriously on this. I'm not truly focusing on this
stuff. I am addressing it in little lulls when I'm not working on the
song itself.

KO

Rick Paul wrote:
> Hmm, I'm not sure what's going on with the presets. They show up in all the
> plug-ins I tried, and from different vendors, including Cakewalk (FX3
> Soundstage), dB-audioware (dB-D, dB-M, etc.), Waves (RennMaxx), and RBC
> (Voice Tweaker 2.x). Only one I noted where they didn't was Sonic
> Timeworks, but I'm pretty sure that is consistent with the straight DirectX
> versions in 32-bit SONAR -- the presets come from a right click menu. Where
> the vendors had other methods to access presets (e.g. "Load" menu in Waves,
> right click in dB-audioware and Sonic Timeworks), those mechanisms also
> worked as expected. The only thing that wasn't provided was a
> non-file-based way to save presets at the level where DirectX used to put
> them in the registry. It was necessary to use .fxb files for that.
>
> Rick
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