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From: W. eWatson on 12 Dec 2009 21:46
Forgot to mention that under Internet Connection properties these were
checked for all three:

MS Client for MS net
File Print sharing for MS Net
Internet Properties

However, QoS appeared for Met, and was unchecked.


From: Lem on 13 Dec 2009 00:26
W. eWatson wrote:
> Lem wrote:
>> W. eWatson wrote:
>>> Lem wrote:
>>>> W. eWatson wrote:
>>>>> I have three PCs. Call them D, A and M. M was a W2K machine until I
> ...snip
>>> OK, I've set them all to workgroup, and have workgroup set to AXY on
>>> all three. That extra step of having to come back after the wizard to
>>> set the Workgroup to AZY is probably a source of difficulty. If
>>> forgotten, the workgroup becomes WORKGROUP.
>>>
>>> Both the A(stro) and D(en) machine can now see M(et), but, again, M
>>> cannot see either A or D. I just checked to see if A can see D. It
>>> can, but I have to sign on as admin, which is what I want. M is just
>>> blind to the other two computers.
>>
>> It's not clear where you're looking to "see" other computers. If it's
>> in My Network Places, it may take some time for a network resource to
>> show up. You can try clicking View > Refresh to speed up the process.
>>
>> There are a number of things to check.
>>
>> First and most critical, all of the computers must be on the same
>> subnet. In a typical home network, the subnet mask will be
>> 255.255.255.0 on all computers. In that case, the first three octets
>> of the IP address of each computer must be identical, e.g.,
>> 192.168.1.x. To check, open a Command Prompt window on each computer
>> and type ipconfig then press Enter.
>>
>> Once you have confirmed that A, D, and M are all on the same subnet,
>> try the ping command, both by name and by IP address from each
>> computer to each of the other two.
>>
>> For example, if you determined that Astro has IP address 192.168.1.101
>> and Met has IP address 192.168.1.105, open a Command Prompt window on
>> Astro and type:
>> ping Met [Enter]
>> ping 192.168.1.105 [Enter]
>> then open a Command Prompt window on Met and type:
>> ping Astro [Enter]
>> ping 192.168.1.101 [Enter]
>>
>> How you access shares on each computer depends, in part, on whether
>> the computer is running XP Pro or XP Home. For XP Pro, it depends on
>> whether you have Simple File Sharing enabled or disabled. The
>> following is canned network advice from MVP Malke. Not all of it may
>> apply to your situation, so just take the parts that do:
>>
>> <Quote>
>> File/printer sharing
>>
>> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
>> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
>> files and folders:
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx
>>
>> For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
>> caveat in Item A below).
>>
>> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
>> caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall
>> (including a stateful firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running
>> two firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
>> firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords
>> on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the
>> operating system does not permit it.
>>
>> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
>> (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
>> File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the
>> Network Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those
>> machines.The only "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows
>> Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party firewall or have an
>> antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which
>> acts as a firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I
>> usually configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
>> 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
>> subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
>> CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.
>>
>> B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup.
>> This is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.
>>
>> C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do
>> not need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the
>> passwords assigned to each user account can be different; the
>> accounts/passwords just need to exist and match on all machines. DO
>> NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish
>> a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular user's
>> account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at this
>> link work for both XP and Vista:
>>
>> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
>>
>> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off
>> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).
>>
>> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
>> home directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside
>> those directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared
>> Documents folder.
>> See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.
>>
>> F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by
>> exchanging a file between all machines), if you want to share a
>> printer connected locally to one of your computers, share it out from
>> that machine. Then go to the printer mftr.'s website and download the
>> latest drivers for the correct operating system(s). Install them on
>> the target machine(s). The printer should be seen during the
>> installation routine. If it is not, install the drivers and then use
>> the Add Printer Wizard. In some instances, certain printers need to be
>> installed as Local printers but that is outside of this response.
>> </Quote>
>>
> I'm using My Network Places to see what's connected and available.
> From ipconfig:
> D PC:
> IP address: 192:168:1.67
> Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
> Obtain an IP auto from CP Network Connection
> Obtain DNS server auto
>
> A PC:
> IP Address: 192.168.1.98
> Subnet mask: as above
> Obtain an IP auto from CP Network Connection
> Obtain DNS server auto
>
> M PC:
> IP Address: 192.168.1.64
> Subnet mask: as above
> Obtain an IP auto from CP Network Connection
> Obtain DNS server auto
>
> Everyone can ping all others OK
>
> Running XP Pro
>
> I've got to be away for 2.5 hours. Will read the sharing when I get back.

Your IP addresses look OK, if a bit strange (usually when IP addresses
are assigned by a DHCP server they are consecutive, or at least a bit
closer together than 67, 98, and 64). When you said that everyone can
ping all others OK, is that both by name as well as IP address? If so,
that part seems OK as well.

Aside from any issues with My Network Places, what happens if you try to
access a share using
\\computername\sharename
e.g., \\Astro\sharedfoldername

--
Lem

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http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html
From: W. eWatson on 13 Dec 2009 00:44
Whoops again.
Den PC has Network monitor checked under Network Connection properties.
Forgot to send this before we had to depart.
From: W. eWatson on 13 Dec 2009 01:04
....
>> I've got to be away for 2.5 hours. Will read the sharing when I get back.
>
> Your IP addresses look OK, if a bit strange (usually when IP addresses
> are assigned by a DHCP server they are consecutive, or at least a bit
> closer together than 67, 98, and 64). When you said that everyone can
> ping all others OK, is that both by name as well as IP address? If so,
> that part seems OK as well.
>
> Aside from any issues with My Network Places, what happens if you try to
> access a share using
> \\computername\sharename
> e.g., \\Astro\sharedfoldername
>

I pinged them by address. I'll give the names a shot tomorrow. Not sure
how one uses
> \\computername\sharename
> e.g., \\Astro\sharedfoldername
I see that notation on Den under My Network Places in the Internet
section comments. There are five items there, and they all show the
network location (last column) as the internet. Spooky. I think it's the
only PC of the three in using Network Places that shows internet in that
fashion, that is, as a an internet section.

Too bad Met and Astro are 100+ feet away from the Den, and both are 20
feet from each other.

It's possible that I created a problem of some sort on Met by sharing
the documents and printers. I think my share on its C-drive is for read
only.

At least at this point, I can get to the Met from the Den.

Maybe there's a firewall involved here somewhere.

Well, I'll read the sharing material tomorrow morning.
From: W. eWatson on 13 Dec 2009 15:59
The status here is that Astro and Den can see Met, but Met can't see
anyone else.

I got an interesting result when I tried to share both the C-drive of
Met and Astro by clicking on their Sharing and Security item from a
right-click on their drive's icon. Each showed five similar tabs:
General, Sharing, Tools, Quota and H/W, but Astro showed Autoplay as an
extra.

The Sharing tab for Met gave three bulleted items for sharing.
1. Local Sharing with a note to drag the folder to the Shared Docs
folder. Greyed out box for making folder private.

2. Network Sharing. Two check boxes: a. Share folder, and shared name
text entry, b. Allow network used to be changed by network and other users.

3. An info entry: Win firewall is configed to allow folders with network
and other users. It has a link to firewall settings. Firewall is on.

If I do the same on Astro, I get a dialog called Local Properties. The
sharing tab was not at all like that for Met. It showed items like max
shares allowed, and a checkbox for sharing. Not even close to what I saw
on Met.

Maybe some update history is behind this. Met came from an OEM version
of XP Pro, which was a new install. Possibly Astro came via an upgrade
from w2k to XP Pro. I see Astro possibly was created from a student
version, but it has all the stuff of a non-student version. Appearance
config parameter?

Astro has win security on.
Den has win eecurity on. All three on.

I don't get why Den's My Network Places shows an Internet section for
resources on the other two PCs. One has two resources. The only
advantage I can see is they show the UNC notation. The entries do not
seem to update easily. I deleted a couple that seemed out of touch. The
fact that all three show Internet connection is bothersome. I think I
can probably delete all three.

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