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From: Daave on 3 Jun 2010 12:06 Tecknomage wrote: > I have the "Regcure Pro v3" installed on my home WinXP SP3 system, and > (as I've said) been using it for several years now without any > problems. BUT I do not use it to FIX problems, I use it as a > *preventative* cleanup tool for the Registry. What *specific* benefits do you attribute to using this particular utility?
From: John John - MVP on 3 Jun 2010 15:18
Tecknomage wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:55:01 -0300, John John - MVP > <audetweld(a)nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > >> Tecknomage wrote: >>> On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:01:50 -0300, John John - MVP >>> <audetweld(a)nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Tecknomage wrote: >>>> >>>>> REGISTRY CLEANUP: If your Registry has errors in it, this can >>>>> cause problems. There are tools/utilities that will scan >>>>> your Registry and report errors, and remove them. [snip]... >>>>> ... Another is RegCure (which I use at home)... >>>> Wow... you really are in the dark as to this (RegCure) snake >>>> oil, aren't you? Why don't you surf through these results and >>>> see for yourself: >>>> >>>> http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuoyAXQVMXx8ARCNXNyoA?p=how+to+repair+site%3Adcclifecare.com&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-501&sao=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Notice anything in common in all the results? Even the bogus >>>> comments are the same on all the pages. >>>> >>>> Now take a look at the results from another bogus domain from >>>> these same snake oil salesmen: >>>> >>>> http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG72WWXQVMix4ADA1XNyoA?p=how+to+repair+site%3Asubnixus.com&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-501&sao=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now look at their prognosis for 0x0000009c error: >>>> >>>> http://www.dcclifecare.com/list/0x0000009c.html >>>> http://www.subnixus.com/stop-error-codes/0x0000009c.html >>>> >>>> and look at another post from another bogus site from a Mr. Ted >>>> Kwong, another one of their bogus "Computer Specialist": >>>> >>>> http://www.pctuneupadvisor.com/technical-support/0x0000009C.php?yid=512696&OVRAW=0x0000009C&OVKEY=0x0000009c&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=25590807013&OVKWID=287503937513&OVCAMPGID=955549013&OVADGRPID=9323029401&OVNDID=ND1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Go ahead, click on these links and see for yourself! >>>> >>>> So what do you think of a company who would setup bogus sites >>>> and have bogus "Computer Specialists" give out such >>>> outrageously erroneous information? For this particular >>>> company, their products, and "specialists", the terms snake oil >>>> and hucksters are well deserved. >>>> >>>> For any and all who would want to know, 0x9C errors are Machine >>>> Check Exception errors thrown by the processor when it detects >>>> hardware problems, hardly has anything to do with the registry >>>> and no registry cleaner will ever be able to repair this! >>>> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/329284 Stop error message in >>>> Windows XP that you may receive: "0x0000009C >>>> >>>> It really is laughable, do a search on these bogus sites for >>>> other well know errors which have absolutely nothing to do with >>>> the registry and you will get the same kind of bogus advice >>>> and nonsense from these crooks! >>>> >>> John, >>> >>> You are making an incorrect assumption. I did "surf" (Google) on >>> *many* registry cleaners. Even tried/tested others. >>> >>> I just have the opinion that Regcure is good AND I have been >>> using it for years on my home system, and have absolutely no >>> problems. Not one fault or crash. Even tested it at work (WinXP) >>> on our IT Test rig, again no problems at all. >>> >>> Note I have been in the business for over 30yrs now. I am NOT a >>> novice. >> You might have been in business for 30 years but with all due >> respect it doesn't make you any less gullible! RegCure is snake >> oil peddled by scam artists and still with your 30 years of >> experience you've been had by these con artists! >> >> You want to get the ultimate scam? See this from the same bunch of >> cons: >> >> How to Fix Paretologic Errors >> http://www.fix-pc-tools.com/?kw=Paretologic&t202id=51627&t202kw=&OVRAW=paretologic%20error%20fix-pc-tools.com&OVKEY=paretologic.com&OVMTC=advanced&OVADID=38089977513&OVKWID=403807122013&OVCAMPGID=1311110513&OVADGRPID=13361367401&OVNDID=ND1 >> >> >> >> Now that is the ultimate 'circular' scam! It doesn't get any >> better than that, screw up peoples computers with one scam then >> scam them again with another scam to fix the first scam! There are >> countless bogus web sites from these same guys and they all push >> the same scam and the same useless products. >> >> You, as a computer specialist, would recommend these products and >> steer your customers toward these Canadian scam artists? If one of >> your customers were to call you telling you that they were >> experiencing 0x9C errors would you have them run a registry >> cleaner? Or how about this idiotic nonsense from the same bunch of >> crooks: >> >> >> Are You Having Trouble with Error Permission Denied? >> >> Problem: Error Permission Denied is caused by missing system files >> or broken system registry structures.... >> >> http://error-repair-help.com/support/l1_Permission-Denied.html?OVRAW=stop%3A%200xc5%20permission%20error&OVKEY=error%20permission%20denied&OVMTC=advanced&OVADID=33519963521&OVKWID=273900978521&OVCAMPGID=6314428521&OVADGRPID=13842720409&OVNDID=ND1 >> >> >> >> Would you have your customers run a registry cleaner to "repair" >> Access Denied errors? And you approve of these scams? Do you >> think that Access denied errors are caused by "missing system files >> or broken system registry structures"? >> > > No I would not. > > Regcure is not meant to fix on-going problems with systems. No > registry cleaner is a "fix specific problem" utility. They are meant > to find POTENTIAL problems that MAY be caused by errors in the > Registry, like references to non-existing files. > > What I use registry cleaners (Regcure and others) for is to remove > Registry entries left behind by poorly written Uninstallers. A good > uninstaller (and there are a few) remove everything, including > Registry entries for the uninstalled software. > > One way to identify products with poorly written Uninstallers is when > full uninstall requires download (from the publisher's support) a > special "cleanup" utility for the software. > > > > >> Need to know more... read on: >> >> http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuvC8qwZMhX4BttOl87UF?p=paretologic+scam&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=sfp&iscqry= >> >> >> >> Why would any self respecting professional with 30 years of >> experience push these products and steer his customers to scams >> operated by unscrupulous individuals devoid of any morals? If you >> must push registry cleaners at least push the ones from honest >> individuals and companies rather than the ones from crooks and >> pariahs! >> >> >>> How long have you been using Windows? >> Completely irrelevant to registry cleaning scams by Paretologic but >> if you must know I cut my teeth on Novell networks atop DOS >> backbones and we adopted the NT platform in 1996. >> > > Hay, good John, another old-timer. > > My first computer TRS-80 (CP/M), True-IBM no-HD (MS-DOS), now build > my own systems running WinXP SP3. > > Professional: Desktop PCs starting in the same period as you (in > USN), Novel Server (Production Test Server at Unisys), built/tested > Mainframes at Unisys (used a combination of WinXP, Unix, Customized > Win2003 Server), computer controlled (WinXP) Phone Switching > equipment, have a Linux (Ubuntu) Notebook now (for self-training). > > > > Also, I am NOT saying that Regcure does not have problems. But, in a > collage-level class I took (required by Unisys) the instructor > brought out that with ANY product you will get 6 customer complaints > for every 1 customer praise (if you're lucky). What you read, or get > responses to, will be heavily weighted to those having problems but > that is not an accurate measure of any product because it is not > balanced by those who find the product fills their expectations. > > > So, if you had problems with Regcure, then don't use it. > > I have the "Regcure Pro v3" installed on my home WinXP SP3 system, > and (as I've said) been using it for several years now without any > problems. BUT I do not use it to FIX problems, I use it as a > *preventative* cleanup tool for the Registry. > > > > By the way, have any opinion on "Comodo System Cleaner" (includes a > Registry Cleaner)? This is what we use at work on our (Win2003 > Server STD) Fileserver. http://system-cleaner.comodo.com/ > > But again, it's not used to FIX problems (and we have none to date). > I would not recommend this for the non-techie home user. > > It does have one fault, the "exclude from next scan" feature *seems* > not to work properly. I just never use it. I don't think much of anything about any of these cleaners but at least the Comodo one isn't a massive scam like the Paretologic one. I'll grant you this much that in some situations and in the hands of a competent person they might have limited use as a diagnostic tool but other than that they are next to utterly useless. If anyone ran one on my server I would break their fingers! By their very nature once set up servers are not "tampered" with like home machines and they are very stable, IMHO cleaning the registry on a server is just plain and simply nuts! At one time I too thought that these cleaners served a purpose. Why? Because I didn't know any better, everybody was spreading the same gospel and I believed the vendors of these programs. That was when I was using Windows 95 on my home machine. I knew next to nothing about Windows and like everybody else I ran these cleaners just because that's what folks were doing, I never noticed any improvement when running them but out of faith I ran the cleaners anyway. After we migrated our work network from Novell over DOS to an NT4 network I thought that I should also run registry cleaners on my NT4 boxes. It didn't take too long for me to realize that the cleaners did absolutely nothing to improve performance on any of our machines and that it broke some of our applications. One of my boxes was up to MFC42.dll but a Xerox printer that we had attached to the box couldn't work with that MFC version, it required MFC40.dll so this dll was kept and registered on the NT4 box. Every time a cleaner was run it would remove the registration for this file and the whole Xerox software would fall apart and the printer would stop working. That was the last straw, these cleaners did absolutely nothing to maintain the health of my machines and they did nothing to improve performance, quite to the contrary they were breaking our software. By that time I was a bit more savvy about Windows NT and I came to realize that these cleaners were utterly useless and that they were causing more harm than good so I dumped the whole lot of them. And, oh yes, I tried more than a few or them, RegClean, CleanSweep, RegCleaner/JV16 and a few others. They're all the same, they're all utterly useless and a complete waste of time, Windows NT operating systems don't need registry cleaning, running these cleaners as a maintenance/prevention routine is nothing but a fool's errand. John |